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Watch them work. Click, chimp, click, chimp, click, chimp.... You get the idea....
Patrick
For crying out loud, digi or film, it should not matter if you "got the Pic" - your head should be working on the NEXT shot even as you're shooting the current one.
Not sure if you got it? Just shoot it again, and again, and again. For crying out loud - these "digi" wedding photogs should just put some tape over the damned LCD and re-shoot if unsure.
Patrick,
Spot on.
At the wedding I attended the other week I was amazed (appalled?) how the "pro" checked her LCD after every friggin' shot!
For crying out loud, digi or film, it should not matter if you "got the Pic" - your head should be working on the NEXT shot even as you're shooting the current one.
Not sure if you got it? Just shoot it again, and again, and again. For crying out loud - these "digi" wedding photogs should just put some tape over the damned LCD and re-shoot if unsure.
Imagine, a camera with a CF card capable of shooting several hundred RAW pics - and you "chimp" every one! Yet that's what they do! :confused:
It is (used to be) routine professional practice in many situations to check exposure by shooting Polaroids - would you say these people were incompetent? You are far more likely to create an impression of incompetence if you "Just shoot it again, and again, and again". One of the characteristics of digitial cameras is their reduced ability, compared with film, to handle high-contrast scenes. Couple this with the fact that an LCD screen display is only an approximation of what you have got, and there are very cogent reasons to check the histogram of shots to make sure exposure is correct - much better than killing spontaneity by bracketing exposure or just shooting lots of frames at random. I think, quite frankly, your coments reveal that you have no experience of this type of photography.
It is (used to be) routine professional practice in many situations to check exposure by shooting Polaroids - would you say these people were incompetent? You are far more likely to create an impression of incompetence if you "Just shoot it again, and again, and again". One of the characteristics of digitial cameras is their reduced ability, compared with film, to handle high-contrast scenes. Couple this with the fact that an LCD screen display is only an approximation of what you have got, and there are very cogent reasons to check the histogram of shots to make sure exposure is correct - much better than killing spontaneity by bracketing exposure or just shooting lots of frames at random. I think, quite frankly, your coments reveal that you have no experience of this type of photography.
David- Next time you shoot a wedding tell everyone that you are going to be checking the Polaroid, so stop the services until it develops!
My original post was that you do not have to chimp if you know what you are doing, and you should if someone is trusting the memories of their cherished day to your ability. After all, how the hell can you follow what is going on in front of you when you are looking at the LCD? You should know before you take the picture that it will be ok, not after. Again, that is the sign of a professional.
Let's try to keep this positive, shall we?
By the way, I have always called Polaroids "paranoids" because there was always paranoia when people resorted to them!
Patrick
If I were to buy into David and your concepts of wedding photography then it would seem the "profession" only began after the digital age!
This is a rather humorous take on chimping by sports photographers that I found with "the google" on "the internets"
http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/chimping/index.html
This is a rather humorous take on chimping by sports photographers that I found with "the google" on "the internets"
http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/chimping/index.html
Precious!
Professionally photography is dead - it has been supplanted by Professional Image Taking and that's just the way it is - there's no going back to the way it used to be....
Is it me, or does it strike others odd when a person comes on this or other forums, says they are a pro and are moving up to a larger format and has to ask what lens to get? This is what I was thinking of when I was talking about the level of expertise in the trade.
... But the bigger picture is not that real pros aren't as competent as they used to be, it's that people who are not pros are claiming to be pros. ...
Geez, at the rate that most wedding digi pros shoot - they're practically doing video! Checking for "lazy eye"! The friggin' black dot function of Photoshop will take care of that - and, yes, BTW, CS2 (are we up to CS3 yet?) does an auto-check for red-eye BEFORE it loads the image to the screen.
Please, don't treat us like we're idiots here.
Simple fact is that "chimping" is hominoid nature. That's why they call it "chimping". The chimpanzee is the only other hominoid who's been shown to recgonize her/his own image and the image of others of his/her species! Oh, they also recognize we humans - and likely have a properly low opinion of us!
If I were to buy into David and your concepts of wedding photography then it would seem the "profession" only began after the digital age!
I understand your frustration and hostility toward computers and new technology in general. I too was like that at one time until I realized that digital is just another way to capture an image. Think of it as the new film for the new millenium. It really is a lot of fun if you give it a chance!
Snegron,
First, I have a DSLR (D70 and just used it together with my F100 when shooting at my nephew's wedding a couple of weeks ago). I'm just as guilty as the next one when it comes to chimping when using it. And that's why I prefer to rely on my "instinct" and shoot film.
Second, I watched "the pro" very carefully because I was hoping to learn some technique - her rapidity of fire was such that while she chimped each shot - there was not time to make constant adjustments in the way you suggest.*
Third, despite your disclaimer, given all you've just said - aren't you now really trying to take this thread into the forbidden land of D v. A?
*BTW: I am not suggesting this pro was not good. And I did learn a few things about using flash (something I've not done a lot of).
Your other points aside ...
I agree that digital is another methodology for capturing images, an inferior one based upon the way it captures color and sharpness IMO, but a viable one nonetheless. Further, I see nothing fun about taking great compositions with a camera that doesn't give me the color or sharpness that meet my expectations; those things that fully compliment the composition and take it from "nice" to "wow". The fact that you don't see that simply means that you don't perceive color or sharpness in the same way that I do - and I don't mean this in any derogatory way whatsoever.
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