Pentax 67ii Won't Turn On

[Troy Grilli]

Hello, all!
This will be my first post in APUG, so I apologize if this is in the wrong forum or anything of that sort.
I have a Pentax 67ii that I bought from a friend who's father passed. It was his camera. I got it and seemed to have been used quite a bit, but well loved! The biggest thing was it had been dropped and the bottom of the body became warped. I took the camera on vacation and finished the roll of film that was in it, then put another roll through it.
It started out great but it slowly started turning off on its on or just not turning on at all. Figured the batteries were dead.
Got home, installed fresh batteries and it still wouldn't turn on. And if it did, it would turn off randomly. The battery compartment got a little warped from the drop it seemed to have endured so I thought that it was just losing contact and that if the battery compartment got fixed, I would have a camera again.
Alas, I took it to my local camera guru (the genius Michael at Kiwi Camera Repair, winter park, florida), who did the best job I could have hoped for reforming the bottom and battery compartment, but that didn't fix it! The bugger still won't turn on. He even hooked it up to a machine he had that would supply the voltage required and readout the current draw of the device and it isn't pulling any current at all, so the lights aren't on and nobody's home!
That basically tells us that there's got to be something wrong with the circuit board in the camera someone, I would think. Has anyone had a 67ii die on them? I've called around and none of the service centers still service this model. I've found guys that know the guts of the 67, but not the 67ii.
I could sell it for parts since everything is mechanically fine. Along with the lenses I might make my money back but it doesn't feel right given the circumstances I optioned this camera by. Not to mention, those two rolls of film I put through it turned out great and it was a joy to shoot with, even if it weighs a ton!
I'm looking for any sort of lead. Be it someone who services this camera, someone who has had this issue, or if all else fails I guess someone who's looking for a dead 67ii!

Thanks, APUG!

 

[moto-uno]

Email me if you eventually decide to divest yourself of it . Peter

 

[mshchem]

Hello, all!
This will be my first post in APUG, so I apologize if this is in the wrong forum or anything of that sort.
I have a Pentax 67ii that I bought from a friend who's father passed. It was his camera. I got it and seemed to have been used quite a bit, but well loved! The biggest thing was it had been dropped and the bottom of the body became warped. I took the camera on vacation and finished the roll of film that was in it, then put another roll through it.
It started out great but it slowly started turning off on its on or just not turning on at all. Figured the batteries were dead.
Got home, installed fresh batteries and it still wouldn't turn on. And if it did, it would turn off randomly. The battery compartment got a little warped from the drop it seemed to have endured so I thought that it was just losing contact and that if the battery compartment got fixed, I would have a camera again.
Alas, I took it to my local camera guru (the genius Michael at Kiwi Camera Repair, winter park, florida), who did the best job I could have hoped for reforming the bottom and battery compartment, but that didn't fix it! The bugger still won't turn on. He even hooked it up to a machine he had that would supply the voltage required and readout the current draw of the device and it isn't pulling any current at all, so the lights aren't on and nobody's home!
That basically tells us that there's got to be something wrong with the circuit board in the camera someone, I would think. Has anyone had a 67ii die on them? I've called around and none of the service centers still service this model. I've found guys that know the guts of the 67, but not the 67ii.
I could sell it for parts since everything is mechanically fine. Along with the lenses I might make my money back but it doesn't feel right given the circumstances I optioned this camera by. Not to mention, those two rolls of film I put through it turned out great and it was a joy to shoot with, even if it weighs a ton!
I'm looking for any sort of lead. Be it someone who services this camera, someone who has had this issue, or if all else fails I guess someone who's looking for a dead 67ii!

Thanks, APUG!

Don't give up yet, could be a broken solder joint. If it worked then quit I suspect it can be fixed. Get a second opinion. That's a great camera.

 

[Troy Grilli]

Don't give up yet, could be a broken solder joint. If it worked then quit I suspect it can be fixed. Get a second opinion. That's a great camera.

Do you know of anyone you would recommend? I trust Michael, and he was honest in that he just hasn't worked on the electronics of this specific body before and couldn't find any documentation on it so he didn't feel comfortable poking around where he wasn't a pro. I just need to find someone who knows about this body that I can send this to to get that blessed second opinion.

 

[Leigh B]

Given the camera's age, there's a high probability that one or more electrolytic capacitors has failed.

This is an industry-wide problem, not unique to photographic equipment.

Corrective action will require a good electronic technician, not necessarily a photographic equipment technician.

- Leigh

 

[Eric Rose]

Just use a hand meter or a meter app in your phone assuming you can work it on manual mode.

 

[Troy Grilli]

Just use a hand meter or a meter app in your phone assuming you can work it on manual mode.

The 67ii doesn't function at all without power.

 

[Leigh B]

Just use a hand meter or a meter app in your phone assuming you can work it on manual mode.

To do what, and how ? ? ?

- Leigh

 

[mshchem]

Do you know of anyone you would recommend? I trust Michael, and he was honest in that he just hasn't worked on the electronics of this specific body before and couldn't find any documentation on it so he didn't feel comfortable poking around where he wasn't a pro. I just need to find someone who knows about this body that I can send this to to get that blessed second opinion.

call these guys Rock Island Illinois

http://www.united-camera.com/

 

[mshchem]

The big clue is it was dropped. It could be something simple. Yes it could be a electronic whatsit. If you can find a guy that has time to inspect the whole camera?? I have sent stuff to United Camera Repair in Rock Island Illinois for decades. They love what they do.
The EU RoHS (Restrictions on Hazardous Substances) act came along right about the time of the Digital onslaught. Lead (and a lot less) had to be eliminated. Rather than re-engineer a platform that was going obsolete. Bang, that's when X-Pan II , Pentax 67II, Contax etc. etc. disappeared pre-maturely.Oh and a lot of the replacement stuff failed early.

 

[mshchem]

Lead (and a lot less)

Lead and a LOT MORE things were eliminated.

 

[Leigh B]

Eric,

The post above mine was AFTER your nonsense meaningless post.

I asked a question that was entirely reasonable and appropriate.

- Leigh

 

[Leigh B]

You didn't read my post Leigh.

I certainly did read it. It said:

Just use a hand meter or a meter app in your phone assuming you can work it on manual mode.

Which immediately followed my post about electrolytic capacitors.

Your post gave no hint of what the meter might be used for.

- Leigh

 

[mshchem]

There's a guy selling reprint factory service manuals for this camera with the AE finder for 20 bucks plus 6 dollars for shipping. I would get the manual and see what they have for troubleshooting guides. Sounds like it worked and as you used it it got jostled and isn't getting a good connection somehow.

 

[Eric Rose]

The 67ii doesn't function at all without power.

Well that's a bummer. I had no idea.

 

[trendland]

What type of fresh batteries did you use
when you change them for the old ones.

I doubt we got your problem if you have
a smal luck.

Therefore you need no Pentax - Service.

The first problem you have had is simple
low batteries did it not.

Indeed most are not familliar to P67II using type 6x7,67 cheap and resistent
due to eletrical concerns (without messuring viewfinder).

What type of cr132 did you replace ?


with regards

 

[trendland]

Hello, all!
This will be my first post in APUG, so I apologize if this is in the wrong forum or anything of that sort.
I have a Pentax 67ii that I bought from a friend who's father passed. It was his camera. I got it and seemed to have been used quite a bit, but well loved! The biggest thing was it had been dropped and the bottom of the body became warped. I took the camera on vacation and finished the roll of film that was in it, then put another roll through it.
It started out great but it slowly started turning off on its on or just not turning on at all. Figured the batteries were dead.
Got home, installed fresh batteries and it still wouldn't turn on. And if it did, it would turn off randomly. The battery compartment got a little warped from the drop it seemed to have endured so I thought that it was just losing contact and that if the battery compartment got fixed, I would have a camera again.
Alas, I took it to my local camera guru (the genius Michael at Kiwi Camera Repair, winter park, florida), who did the best job I could have hoped for reforming the bottom and battery compartment, but that didn't fix it! The bugger still won't turn on. He even hooked it up to a machine he had that would supply the voltage required and readout the current draw of the device and it isn't pulling any current at all, so the lights aren't on and nobody's home!
That basically tells us that there's got to be something wrong with the circuit board in the camera someone, I would think. Has anyone had a 67ii die on them? I've called around and none of the service centers still service this model. I've found guys that know the guts of the 67, but not the 67ii.
I could sell it for parts since everything is mechanically fine. Along with the lenses I might make my money back but it doesn't feel right given the circumstances I optioned this camera by. Not to mention, those two rolls of film I put through it turned out great and it was a joy to shoot with, even if it weighs a ton!
I'm looking for any sort of lead. Be it someone who services this camera, someone who has had this issue, or if all else fails I guess someone who's looking for a dead 67ii!

Thanks, APUG!

If I made no mistake by translating the facts are more clear as you mentioned :
"the battery compartment got a little warped from the drop"


with regards

 

[trendland]

Sorry I meant cr123 simular to 16340
my cell phone mixed it up so as it has done so often :-( :-(

with regards

 

[Sirius Glass]

Sorry to hear about your problem. It may be faster and cheaper to trade it in at KEH and buy another one from them.

 

[zozur]

Do you have a multimeter? You should check voltage that going from battery to camera PCB. I would also check all resistors, capacitors, transistors and other elements.
Also try to check if all traces on PCB are good and not broken. Yes I know its a lot of work :-(

 

[Leigh B]

I would also check all resistors, capacitors, transistors and other elements.

How do you propose doing that with a multimeter, by
someone who is presumably not a trained service tech?

- Leigh

 

[trendland]

Do you have a multimeter? You should check voltage that going from battery to camera PCB. I would also check all resistors, capacitors, transistors and other elements.
Also try to check if all traces on PCB are good and not broken. Yes I know its a lot of work :-(

You got it - it is a lot of work !
I could find your Idea not so bad as some others here.
At first let us find out what this damage
caused.
My Idea is the voltage comming from
the batteries.
The original gets of - clear the camera
can't work without.
Than the batteries were replaced and trouble began.
As I have the descibtion of failure understood correct - the P67II switches
on and after that it was off.
Or it switches some times (on/off) ???

If an expert have seen the camera after
this trouble he would find out if there is
no contact to batteries. That has happend - the new batteries should work.
I can not see the failure on this side.

Often P67II is in use with recharchable
cr 123 because of the high cost of batteries.

So as mine. They are always fine.

They have also 3.0 Volt. But since some
years it changes.

Most new types of the same cr123 recharchebles have 3,6 volt.

You can operate them if they are not at their highest level but you will use them also with a high risk.

Let them have 3.2 volt or 3,3 volt.

You need two of them and then you
will work with 6,4 volt or higher.

The P67II have some tollerances.

I would not do this - but it could work
for a while.

The very new types of recharcheble cr123 get up to 3,8volt - at a highest
point (at the beginning) they are somewhere in the near of 4,2 volt.
This level should kill the P67II within
some seconds.

I had this with the camera of my son.

The LCD display flikered some seconds,
than the camera was of.

After a while (with same batteries 3,6volt) the camera works a short time.

At least it switches in and of again - as
I have mixed the batteries - I wonder not
at all about.
The camera was death. But only for some
days.

It works after that trouble - up to now.

Never use that kind of wrong voltage in
proffessional equipment.

If this could be the cause of trouble too
these recharchables are 0,1 - 0,2 mm
higher so you will notice it additional by
replacement - I see a change of a cheap
repair with a fit electronic specialist like
you - in the exact way you described it.

Because you know the cause of damage.

I doubt that this could be the reason of troubble here.
Bon chance at all.


with regard




But with a High

 

[zozur]

@Leigh B:
To check faulty components. I thing about person with basic electronic knowledge.

 

[trendland]

To check faulty components. I thing about person with basic electronic knowledge.

Made a little mistake :

the incorrect recharchable cr123
with 3,6 volt is ofter near about 1,1 it 1.2
mm higher - not 0,1mm , 0,2mm
So they have not to much place left in
the camera.

I mean one can notice it by replacement.

"Beware of"

Well what is a specialist in electronic today meant by ?

I am not shure ? But Pentax-Service ?
I meet them some years ago. REALY NICE
PEOPLE !
I got my stuff I wanted - without problems. They were very kind to me.
But cheapest repairs?
I could imagine they changes some platines of the electronics complete.

I will not speculate in that way - but do they realy identify an simple electronic
component wich would cost only $0,87
or do they just change complete electronic compounds against new ones
"if they have it " ?

with regards

 

[Troy Grilli]

Hello, all! Given everyone's advice here I'm sending it off to United Camera. If the circuit board was accessible I could easily follow the flow of electricity to see where it stopped, but I don't feel comfortable opening the camera up to get to that point! Enter: The professionals! Thank you all for your advice. Ill re-visit this thread with the epic conclusion just in case anyone else in this wide world of the interwebs has the same problem.