Pentax 67 - wide/normal/tele recommendation?

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I just bought a pentax 67 which includes 90 2.8 SMC

I'm considering the 45 or 55, and maybe the 165 leafshutter, which would give me a wide, a normal, and a telephoto.

Regarding the 90 2.8, is the 105 worthwhile given I have the 90 already? Is one better than the other?

The wide is for general landscape, the tele for portraits, and the normal for general purpose.



I have a 645n and really enjoy the 35mm and 150mm lenses. The 75mm is ok too, but I don't use it as much.
 

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Pentax Forums Lens Reviews (http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/) has very comprehensive information on every Pentax lens, just scroll down the 6x7 section then the category to view the lens in question. I have the 90mm and I'm happy with it and that focal length in particular, so I have no burning desire to get the 105.

Any of those wides will work, although a lot of people seem to prefer the 45. I have the 55 f/4 6x7; its replacement, the 55/4 67, is supposedly better, but the earlier 6x7 version is definitely no dog, same with the original 55/3.5 Takumar.

As for the tele, the 67 200/4 gets excellent reviews. Also consider the zooms as they also get accolades, even more so than the primes.
 

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Regarding the 90 2.8, is the 105 worthwhile given I have the 90 already? Is one better than the other?

The 90 is sharp and this focal length is excellent on 6x7. I've seen some tests where the 90 outperformed the 105. In any case the 90 came later (later optical design).

Pentax is among the best of the lens makers, so it's difficult to go wrong with those lenses.
 
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As for the tele, the 67 200/4 gets excellent reviews. Also consider the zooms as they also get accolades, even more so than the primes.

I'll checkout that 200. Very affordable!

The zooms look good, but are very expensive. I also tend to prefer primes.

The 90 is sharp and this focal length is excellent on 6x7. I've seen some tests where the 90 outperformed the 105. In any case the 90 came later (later optical design).

I see the 105 mentioned so much. People always saying "oh wow the 105". Do you know why? Is it simply more popular?
 

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Haven't had many bad experiences with any 67 lenses, but have a few thoughts.

As for using the 90 or 105, I have a couple of friends with 90s, and I used a 105 for a long time. Both are great at the same aperture. The corners lose it a little bit on the 105 wide open, but it is an incredibly fast lens for 6x7, so I never had a problem with that. Can't see a point in owning both. I like the 105, but can't really explain why. Probably just familiarity.

The 165 leaf is an awesome lens, and the leaf is reliable, and quite useful. It's a great lens. The 200 is supposed to be awesome too, but I don't have one, so can't tell you from personal experience.

Considering your 645 experience, you will like the 45 better than any 55. A 55 never gives you that nice, wide feel you would get with the 35mm on your 645. Also note that the old 55 3.5 is a great lens, but it is BIG, and I always felt uncomfortable swinging a 67 around by this lens. The focus ring diameter is just big enough for you to feel like you could lose your grip and it come crashing down. None of the other lenses give you this experience. It also uses odd diameter filters specifically for this lens that can be hard to come by.
 

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I think the 55mm lens I have for my Pentax 6X7 is the sharpest lens I own. Prints and scans rival the detail from 4X5.

For tele, the 200mm is excellent. I recommend the newer version (77mm filter size). It's larger but lighter than its predecessor, and the closest focusing distance is closer than the original which was about 8 feet.
 
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I have the 90mm lens and love it. Like others, i have seen many people rave about the 105 but haven't seen the point of getting one. I have the newer 55 also and that is a great lens. I also have the 165mm - if you want it for head shots you'll find it doesn't focus close enough unless you have a +1 extension tube. I've bought a 135 macro to see if I prefer that for portraits, just waiting for it to arrive. For my taste the 165 is a touch narrow.
It seems that most Pentax 67 lenses are great image quality and also reasonably priced so you can't go too wrong by trying things out.
 

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I use this guide as to how I chose what version of a lens: Dead Link Removed

... Pentax is among the best of the lens makers, so it's difficult to go wrong with those lenses.
Ain't that the truth. Plus, I believe that most medium format lenses are better than the top end small format lenses. You can't go wrong with almost any of them.

When I was looking at getting the 90mm 2.8 L/S (leaf shutter lens model) a lot of reviews said it wasn't sharp like the non L/S model. But really, "not as sharp" as an amazingly sharp lens... I think I can take that "quality hit". I mean, come on. All the Pentax 6x7 lenses are fantastic.


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I just bought a pentax 67 which includes 90 2.8 SMC

I'm considering the 45 or 55, and maybe the 165 leafshutter, which would give me a wide, a normal, and a telephoto.

Regarding the 90 2.8, is the 105 worthwhile given I have the 90 already? Is one better than the other?

The wide is for general landscape, the tele for portraits, and the normal for general purpose.



I have a 645n and really enjoy the 35mm and 150mm lenses. The 75mm is ok too, but I don't use it as much.

I decided on the 45mm, 75mm, 90 L/S, 105, 165 L/S. for my Kit. I actually have a 90mm 2.8 non L/S but it's fungusy. Both the L/S lenses are my strobe portrait lenses when needed. The others are my regular go to.

The 45mm is just magical: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrdat/31618745251
 
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There are very few bad lenses for this system. If any really. The 105 is popular because it exudes character wide open. It has the DoF of a Noctilux and the detail of a 6x7 negative. Sure, the MFD is kinda long but it's slightly longer than 'normal' so there you go. Most people use a tube or close up filter to get around this. Some of my best portraits are from the 105, any 6x7 user should have one. The 90 is also a fabulous lens! Very sharp, more general purpose due to being a bit shorter. I could easily see owning both.

The 45 is great, but very very wide. The 55's are so cheap now. Get the 55/4 if you go that route. Both the 45 and 55/4 are the 'legendary' (among P67 users) wides. They vignette wide open but they're very sharp.

The 150/2.8, 165/2.8 & LS, and 200mm are all fantastic tele's. Pick based on length IMO. Lots of people love the 165, maybe because it's between both, and maybe because it's such a great lens.

Someday, pick up a 75/2.8 AL, it's one of the last lenses they made for the system and it's a real gem. Almost any optic from Pentax gave those folks at Zeiss a run for their money IMO. Maybe the Zeiss lenses have a technical consistency but the Pentax lenses have a lot of character without sacrificing performance.
 

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Almost any optic from Pentax gave those folks at Zeiss a run for their money IMO. Maybe the Zeiss lenses have a technical consistency but the Pentax lenses have a lot of character without sacrificing performance.

Pentax glass is quite good but I would politely disagree with saying that it gives Zeiss a run for their money. But then again I guess it all comes down to why you would need the lens as well as luck with certain lenses. I have never had much luck with wide Pentax lenses such as the 45mm, which is a well regarded lens in its own right. I now have a Zeiss 40mm for Hasselblad and it's just flawless. But if I didn't need pure consistency I probably would go with the Pentax to save some serious $$$ as it's still a good lens.
 

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i preferred the 55 over the 45, so i sold my 45. have the 75 4.5 and it rocks. i always use that lens when the camera is on a tripod, so no need for me to get the 2.8, even though i really hope santa will bring it this year (its always on my list). have the 105 and never shot the 90. dont really see a need as they are very close.

i have the 165 200 and an older 300 i got for free. the 300 is soft and my copy cant be shot past f16 or it gets real soft. hardly use it. the 165 and 200 rock! both are very sharp, great contrast and color rendition is excellent.

like mentioned above, almost all the 67 lenses are great, and I'll be honest, possibly the best bargains in the world now for any lens on any system. most of the latest SMC lenses can be had for $250 or less in great condition. keep your eyes open and you find great deals. i bought the 165 2.8 from KEH last year with a coupon. was $85 shipped in like new condition
 

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I used to own the 90mm and 55mm and now have the 45/105/165 combo. The 90mm was an excellent lens and very compact, but it doesn't seem to have quite the wow factor of the 105mm when shot wide open. The 105mm oozes character, which makes it nice to own when many MF lenses are incredibly detailed and sharp, but can be a touch clinical.

The 45mm feels like a 'proper' wide angle lens, meaning that you can easily use it for indoor photos and very expansive landscapes. I much prefer it to the 55mm, but looking at the lens reviews, it's probably not quite as sharp as the later 55mm. It's a fair bit lighter and more compact than the 55mm, if that's important to you. I used to own the Mamiya 7 43mm lens, and the Pentax lens seems very similar.

I have just got hold of the 165mm f2.8 (not the leaf shutter version) and have hardly used it, but it does look like it will be a cracker for portraits. The example photos on flickr look amazing, with super smooth OOF areas (I hate the 'B word').

Like other people have said, I don't think you can go too far wrong with any of the P67 lenses, especially at the prices they go for today.
 
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Thanks for the feedback so far. It's really helpful.

I just bought a 45 and a 200. I'll probably try a few more given how affordable they are. I'm guessing this stuff sells for perhaps a tenth of the original price. It's great, but it's sad too, as it reflects the mindset of today's photographic community.
 
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All of the Pentax 6x7 (Takumars) and modern-era SMC Pentax 67 lenses are old German Planar (in the case of the 105mm) or Distagon designs, excluding the two top-drawer optical performers (and noteworthy departures from standard Pentax optical designs), the 75mm f2.8AL and the impressive 300 EID. Neither of these lenses have a carry-over 70s optical construction to them.


There are noted variances among lenses (many are tack sharp, some are soft, some are uniform), the most notable being the 90mm f2.8, 45mm f4 and the 55mm f4. The evergreen 105mm has always had a consistency about it to make it a crowd favourite. It was also the standard lens that was included as a 6x7 (Takumar) or later SMC-P 67 “starter” kit, and legions of photographers got by with nothing more than just the one lens.


Of the 45 and 55 “shorties”, there is very little to set one above the other in practical use, putting aside critical examination of performance through known variation. The 55mm is the oldest design and is noticeably bulky and somewhat slow in terms of focusing (and also has the greatest number of reports of a loosening focusing ring, as mine did). The 45mm is a bit smaller, more comfortable to handle and, as others have pointed out, is a near-ideal landscape/scenic lens. The f22 aperture is not an issue with the inherent depth of field.


The disadvantage with these (and other) lenses is the f4 aperture, which makes precise focusing fiddly in low light, but very especially with a polariser; many, like me, get past this with a right-angle finder or the central-spot magnifier for critical focusing. Or take the POL off for focusing, and slap it back on when done. In essence, your kit should have a couple of fast lenses to get past the circumstantial failings of f4 lenses.


The 55mm f4 came with my 67 (it had a slightly loose focusing ring). After 12 months, I ditched the 55mm, as I preferred the lighter, wider, smaller and more agreeable 45mm f4, even if the filter size was “out there” at 82mm! I print very big from all lenses (and I have unflinching 100% tripod use). I too have the 90mm f2.8 and the 165mm leaf shutter lens (a sharp and worthy performer in its own right, if a bit on the heavy side). The leaf shutter lenses are novel, but have idiosyncracies which must be observed; case in point: the 90mm LS can be used with mirror lock-up on those bodies equipped with it, but the 165mm cannot. The potential for damaging the lens and camera shutter mechanism is omnipresent with the 165mm, not that you aren't given sufficient warning in documentation for this lens.

If you want images of the very highest quality (combined with refined shooting / stabilisationn technique – not necessarily any variation of handheld), the 75mm f2.8AL with a deserved almost cult-status, provides optical refinement of several orders of magnitude above its many and varied stablemates. The downside is the cost (on an upward trend on the used market, around $800 to $1400 for a mint/NIB with papers specimen). The compact size, very precise, “pinky” focusing, spring-loaded aperture ring with half-stops and easy low-light focusing are big pluses if much of your work puts you in challenging lighting. True, the 90mm 2.8 could also be used, but it is not in the same league of nimble handling and optical refinement. The case being? Horses for courses and take your pick!


Getting the “right” lens kit depends a lot on trial and error and experience.It is very fortunate that the rise of digital photography has had an unexpected positive effect on analogue: medium and large format are today much more affordable now than they once were e.g. a Pentax 67 and 105mm would have set you back more than $5,000 27 years ago! We've got the big easy. It is fun to build up an humungous 67 kit — a real film camera with terrific performance and one that makes as much noise as a door slamming shut (this is great for scattering stickybeaks!). Just be aware that the more lenses you add, the greater the pain in the back and legs...


Postscript: Get yourself a lightmeter. The 67 TTL prism is rudimentary in its analysis and meters only to 1 second (its accuracy is also affected by age). If you are shooting in early morning and evening, a separate light meter is well worth considering.


 
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