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After a lot of reanding and looking a photos I think that the look I had in my minds eye was actually a "Lith" print...
Where can I find a simple beginners explanation of lith printing how to's??

Alos is Ilford MG IV paper good for lith printing?

Remeber you are talking to a lith "virgin"
 
1) Tim Rudman's book, Master Printer's Guide to Lith Printing (not sure if that is the exact title, but I'm sure Amazon or Ebay doesn't have much else under "lith.") I've been lithing for six or seven years, and I still refer to it.

2) No.
 
Wolfgang Moersch (a member of this site) is also a real master of lith. You can check out his website (there is English translation for almost everything). I often refer to the "know-how" section of the website:

http://www.moersch-photochemie.de/content/knowhow

Also take a look at what he has posted in the galleries here -- there are a lot of great examples.

And, as others have mentioned above, if you can get a hold of Tim's book it will explain everything you want to know, with lots of examples. I have all of his books (not just the lith ones) and have learned more from him than I ever did in two years of darkroom classes.
 
I never found MG4 to lith well, Ilford Warmtone is a great lith paper.
 
1) Tim Rudman's book, Master Printer's Guide to Lith Printing (not sure if that is the exact title, but I'm sure Amazon or Ebay doesn't have much else under "lith.") I've been lithing for six or seven years, and I still refer to it.

2) No.

I have a copy of the book if you want to see it.
 
Some bulk sodium sulfite and potassium bromide. Depending on the paper, sometimes both or neither are needed. Some nitrile gloves are helpful. Some type of heating pad for under the developer is helpful.

The book is the big deal, though.
 
I guess I should have asked the questiona different way...are the only supplies I need a lith developer and a paper that is good for lith?

Basically, yes. Assuming, of course, you already have stop and fix.

I also find nitrile gloves indispensible -- I prefer to grab the print out of the developer when ready, and my (gloved) hand is far faster and more accurate than print tongs (which could also damage the emulsion). Also, some sort of handheld (red) safelight is useful for checking prints while in the developer.
 
The Fotospeed starter kit is not a bad way to start, though you may quickly graduate to other stuff. The kit includes a lithable paper, developer and little bags of sodium sulfite and potassium bromide, plus instructions to get you started.

Buying the stuff ala carte is a little cheaper in the long run, but at greater initial cost, especially if paper you may already have isn't suitable.
 
Different papers have totally different looks so I wouldn't just say use Ilford or Foma without a better understanding of what you want. Take a look at the lith groups in flickr to get a better idea of different looks that are possible. My gallery on apug also has quite a few papers represented. That is the best thing about lith: the variety of papers gives a choice of different looks depending on the goal of the print.

The papers I've tried and found to work well are Fomatone (brown to yellow to orange tone with moderate grain), Fomabrom (close to neutral and as grainy as you can get), Slavich Unibrom (slightly warmer than Fomabrom still reasonably neutral, very grainy except as compared to Fomabrom, dirt cheap), Emaks (warmtone, reasonably tight grain), Kentmere warmtone vc (discontinued, grainy with a nice cold shadows and warm, beigey-pink highlights). I have zero experience with Ilford Warmtone, but if it is a favorite of Bob's, I'm sure it is good. As far as developer goes, I'd stick with Rollei, Moersch or Fotospeed. Others like Arista work, but I've found that the first three to work better plus I'm pretty sure they don't have formaldehyde. And, no, you really don't need sodium sulfite or bromide to start out. I have them both in my darkroom and never touched them for lith work.

The advice about nitrile gloves or smooth faced tongs is a good one. The face of lith prints is easily damaged. Last, but not least, use a tray one size bigger than the print to get even agitation. Lith printing demands good, clean working habits. OK, one last comment: Tim Rudman's book has everything you would want to know and is articles alternativephotography.com and unblinkingeye.com give you everything you need to get started except up to date info on papers. Tim is the master of all things lith.
 
I second to study the web site of Wolfgang Moersch, as well as the books of Tim Rudman.

Ilford MGIV Warmtone is a fantastic lith paper, one that begs to be toned after the printing is done. Fotospeed LD20 is a fantastic developer that is an easy place to start, because many people use it and know it well enough to give advice.
As far as what you like in a paper, bear in mind that one single paper can be made to look many different ways depending on your exposure, developer, developer dilution, developer temperature, agitation, and toning. As always, start with a product known to work well in lith, like Ilford Warmtone or Foma Fomatone Classic. Learn it by experimenting with it. Change one thing at a time.
When you mix developer, keep it warm (around 75-80*F) to speed up developing, and mix a rather large volume, like a gallon at a time, in order to have consistent results from print to print. Otherwise the developer exhausts quickly, and the results from one print to the next can vary drastically.
Or, use a small volume, say a liter, and after the first print dump 500ml and add 500ml fresh. Repeat for as many prints as you want; this gives wonderfully consistent results, and you stand a good chance at keeping the temperature in your developer up (or down depending on your climate).

- Thomas
 
What is on-lith printing?

I'll try to anticipate your answer. You can use it for straight lith printing, and you can process in normal chemistry, bleach back, and redevelop in lith chemistry. All this is possible with MGIV WT.
The regular MGIV paper is BRILLIANT if you want to try standard processing / bleach back / lith redevelop.
 
If you google Tradgically Hip's website, go to the store, click down to Richard Beland group photo's you will see Lith prints of the group in studio on Ilford Warmtone.
 
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