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Simon R Galley

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Dear All,

I do not want you all thinking I am getting all 'alternative' or anything but I had honestly forgotten how much fun experimentation is......

I attended the FOCUS on Imaging show in Birmingham, England a couple of weeks ago and I was given a job to do on teh HARMAN technology stand.

I was given our SINAR 10 x 8 monorail and told to photograph people......in a 'make shift' studio, the old boy should be able to manage that...!!!

I took ( along with with lots and lots of help from photo students from Warwickshire College, 3 on call at a time, who had volunteered to help us ) 600 portraits in 4 days. But using paper negs and contacting them down:

So 10x8 slides loaded with ILFORD MGIV Cooltone ( its a bit faster than normal MGIV at 7asa or so ) a 0 grade filter stuck on the front of the lens, 1/60th second wide open : The lighting was fairly 'nuclear' I have to admit and not very subtle but it worked. The students then processed the sheets ( in an ILFORD 2150 processor ) contacted them down, under an enlarger 20 seconds at f8 and popped the positive through the processor: A complete positive monochrome print in 8 minutes or so for less than a dollar !.

I am not kidding they looked absolutely fantastic, a little punchy perhaps, but people just could'nt get enough of them, they just loved them, with a depth of field of about 3 inches we had that sharp eye, out of focus hair thing, I had people coming back to have more taken, groups, students, people from other stands like d****L suppliers... just non-stop for 4 days....and do you know they absolutely valued them...one girl cried when I gave her a 'roman' style side view portrait ( to avoid the dreaded teenage braces, that look OK to me, but they don't like them ). I guess 75% of the portraits were people under 30..

Every print was taken...none were left on the display board...

What does this say? to me it says analog is cool.. and lots of fun, if you are 7 or 70, and what we do is actually 'make things' that are really valuable, even if they are not 'technically' the best you could achieve.

Photo students are also great! fearless, these kids were 17 and 18 and they were managing the people, taking the photographs, getting great results and setting up the workflow, sharing out the taking and the processing, no time for lunch just 'got a job to do and doing it'. So full of confidence after just a couple of hours, I Completely had a blast.....

So : Whats this post for ? : this summer, I'm taking the 10 x 8 monorail out, I am going to photograph paper negs on RC of the English landscape, contact them down on ART 300 or FB , destroy the RC neg, and have my own limited edition for 'the summer of 2012' a set of 25 unique prints ( I hope ) for me to keep ( forever ) for less than $ 100...( actually a lot less for me, but you know what I mean ).

Enough.... inspired of Mobberley. I love my job.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
 

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I'd like to do some experimenting too---I'm particularly interested in the digital silver paper, but I don't want to buy a huge roll of it just to experiment with--is there a chance of getting some of this in sheets--I"ve been looking to get some in sheets for quite some time and I don't see it available in sheets anywhere.
 

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what a cool post !

LONG LIVE ILFORD / HARMAN TECHNOLOGY LIMITED !

i hope you post some of your summer series :smile:

john
 

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Thanks for a great post, Simon. I'm always speaking to and encouraging students and other customers in my job at Carmarthen Cameras and hoping to impart some inspiration to those who are film users from my own 30 years experience. Your success at Focus, in reaching a wide audience, adds to the contemporary canon of films place as an artistic/expressive medium that is accessible and good fun. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get to Focus this time and I was looking forward to seeing your stand in particular.
I have a 5x4 Speed Graphic on loan from a friend and @ 10 DDS's and I will be cutting down some 10x8 MG IV, probably today.
Would regular RC MGIV have a 'film' speed of @ 5 or 6 ISO ?
If only I could persuade the boss to stock the 5x4 Harman pinhole.

Regards, Mark Walker.
 

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Simon, it is clear you have the worst job.... I think many of us are jealous. You don't happen to need someone to help demonstrate your products? :whistling:

You remind me that I need to order some of that direct positive paper of yours. And build me that 8x10 camera.
 
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Dear johnielves:

The ILFORD monochrome paper for digital / laser exposure ( both FB and RC ) is not available in sheets :

This product cannot be coventionally exposed, it requiries laser exposure.

Sorry.

Simon ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
 
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Simon R Galley

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Dear Mark Walker,

Thanks for your post : MGIV is 4asa approx.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology limited :
 
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It's wonderful to read your enthusiasm, Simon! Wonderful. Not only do you supply some really amazing monochrome products, but you dish out some much needed enthusiasm about darkroom based photography in this day and age of sterile mass production. Thank you!
 

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Snip: .."I Completely had a blast....." snip.

I read William Mortensens book on the nude some years ago, and somewhere in there he claims, that no fun is allowed in the studio, if you want good pictures.....

So Simon: It looks like you didn't do it right...:tongue:

Seriously, I would have loved to be there - I have similar experience with my students.

Film based photography IS cool!

now: just wait to you go up in size... :D
 
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Dear Gandolfi,

As you know I really admire your work, I am thinking about what you say... I may go bigger!!! but the 10 x 8 Sinar is real heavy, bigger = heavier, still I suppose I will not be hauling it around Yosemite!

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Dear Gandolfi,

As you know I really admire your work, I am thinking about what you say... I may go bigger!!! but the 10 x 8 Sinar is real heavy, bigger = heavier, still I suppose I will not be hauling it around Yosemite!

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :


hi simon

you need to find someone with a pack-mule ! :smile:

much easier to have the mule bring your gear throughout the countryside :wink:

john
 

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Is this gentleman only taking, haven't seen any photos yet.. :whistling:

Fauxtography instantly becomes nothing while Funtography takes a while to become really something...:wink:
 

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Dear Mark Walker,

Thanks for your post : MGIV is 4asa approx.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology limited :

Hi Simon:

You best be careful - those young students may start to think that older people actually are capable of having fun!:wink:

One question - is that 4 asa (4 EI?) with or without taking into account the filter factor?

Given the interest in this, maybe you should consider publishing the "camera" speed for the paper as part of the paper's specifications.

Thanks, and keep the fun coming.
 

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Keep up the good work!
 

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I would love to see some images, too bad they were to big of a hit. bummerz, I know.

Great story. Also great idea for the project.
 

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Engagement is the key to successes. Great job Simon! Do post some images of you series and this session, if you can!
 

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Dear johnielves:

The ILFORD monochrome paper for digital / laser exposure ( both FB and RC ) is not available in sheets :

This product cannot be coventionally exposed, it requiries laser exposure.

Sorry.

Simon ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

yes...I'm well aware of the specs, but it is panchromatic and has promise with conventional exposure---can you maybe point me in the direction of somebody here in the USA who buys that stuff so I can ask them if they will sell me a bit of theirs to experiment with? Experiment is the word--paper isn't supposed to be exposed in a camera either, right?
 

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yes...I'm well aware of the specs, but it is panchromatic and has promise with conventional exposure---can you maybe point me in the direction of somebody here in the USA who buys that stuff so I can ask them if they will sell me a bit of theirs to experiment with? Experiment is the word--paper isn't supposed to be exposed in a camera either, right?

:wink:
the very first photographs were paper negatives ! :smile:
it is just that glass and film became more popular ...

john
 

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the very first photographs were paper negatives ! :smile:
it is just that glass and film became more popular ...

john

is there anyplace that i can read more about this. Not call you out, but just interested.
 
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