Pan F and Rodinal??

joeyk49 · Mar 4, 2005

I could swear that someone posted photos of Pan F developed in Rodinal, but I can't seem to find them.

I've got a couple of rolls (rated at 100, so I've got to push them a bit) to be developed and am thinking about using Rodinal. I've seen dilutions of 1+25, 50 and 100, but don't know which to use and how long to leave it...

Anyone from the Church of Rodinal out there that can help this greenhorn?

Anyone with an opinion on this combination? I also have a couple of rolls of Tura150 (Agfa?) which are "in the line up" as well (forgive the pun, I'm itching for baseball t get started.). Any thoughts???

bobfowler · Mar 4, 2005

I've used Rodinal 1:50 for 12 minutes @ 68F for Pan F+ at EI 50 for quite some time. I don't know how much longer I'll use this as my standard Pan F+ soup though, I'm really liking Pan F+ in Diafine...

joeyk49 · Mar 4, 2005

hmmm...Diafine, I'm not familiar with it. What's its advantage?

titrisol · Mar 4, 2005

Look Here Joeyk:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

bobfowler · Mar 4, 2005

joeyk49 said:
hmmm...Diafine, I'm not familiar with it. What's its advantage?

Diafine is a 2-bath developer. The film spends from 3 to 5 minutes in the first bath, then drain, and the 3 to 5 minutes in the second bath. Temp can be anywhere from 70 to 85F. Time is not temp dependent, still 3 to 5 minutes in each bath regardless. You get full box speed with Pan F+ (50), and some films get as much as 2 stops more effective speed. The manufacturer says Tri-X will get 1600, but I think it's more like 1000.

Diafine lets you get the most of your shadow detail without blowing out your highlights - a nice soft contrast soup.

The downside - your only control is exposure and filters - no time/temp variable.

Another upside - since every film processes the same, so you can mix emulsions in a tank run. It also lasts almost forever, as long as you don't get any solution B into solution A.

joeyk49 · Mar 5, 2005

Thanks titrisol...that was just what I needed...

modafoto · Mar 5, 2005

joeyk49 said:
I could swear that someone posted photos of Pan F developed in Rodinal, but I can't seem to find them.

I have done a lot of this.
See my personal gallery. The four pictures of the girls are done in this combo.

BWGirl · Mar 5, 2005

Hey Joey!
I love Pan F+ and develop it only in Rodinal. (Doc Morten would kick me out of the C of R otherwise)
Here's one I just posted. I've never scanned a negative before, so it's kind of a new thing for me. I hope it does not look too bad. And for all the work...I'll stick to the darkroom!
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

joeyk49 · Mar 5, 2005

Okay.
My first visit to the Rodinal Sanctuary will be to light a 1:50 candle.

I shot the film at 100. How much more time do you figure for developing?

bobfowler · Mar 5, 2005

joeyk49 said:
Okay.
My first visit to the Rodinal Sanctuary will be to light a 1:50 candle.

I shot the film at 100. How much more time do you figure for developing?

You may have "screwed the pooch" as Pan F+ doesn't really push very well. I'd try 15 minutes @ 68F, that should get you in the ballpark.

joeyk49 · Mar 5, 2005

I guess I'll be crossing my fingers then...15 minutes it is

The light seals on my x700 gave up the ghost. So I said, "Ahh!, what the hell!" and popped some bulk loaded panF into my 450si. The only real big negative about my SI is that you can't manually rate the film. So, with no DX coded cassettes, it "assumes" its 100...

I was hoping that 50 to 100 wouldn't be too big of a push for it...

I guess we'll see...

titrisol · Mar 5, 2005

does your 450si allow for exp-sompensation?
Dial +1 there and you'll have a rating of 50, +2 = 25... etc

BruceN · Mar 6, 2005

Tried my first round of stand development! 35mm Pan F with 1:200 Rodinal for 90 minutes. The negs look good, now to try some printing.

Bruce

david b · Mar 6, 2005

On wednesday I ordered 25 rolls of 120 from adorama and on friday i got a note saying they only had 2 rolls left so the rest would be on back order.

bummer.

sterioma · Mar 7, 2005

joeyk49 said:
I could swear that someone posted photos of Pan F developed in Rodinal, but I can't seem to find them.

I have only developed one single roll so far, to make some indoor portraits of my wife. I have an "outdoor" example in my post from the same roll: you can find it (there was a url link here which no longer exists).

joeyk49 · Mar 8, 2005

I haven't developed the PanF yet, but the two rolls of Tura(Agfa) came out beautifully in the Rodinal. The one I did in the Ilfosol seem weak, just not very vibrant. Could have been the shooter/exposure. Could have been the time in tank (1:14 @ 11 mins.) I just felt that I should have left it a little longer.

We'll see how the prints turn out. I have high hopes for the Rodinal stuff.

modafoto · Mar 9, 2005

joeyk49 said:
I have high hopes for the Rodinal stuff.

We are happy!

joeyk49 · Mar 15, 2005

Genuflection

I developed one of the aforementioned rolls of PanF in Rodinal last evening. When I uncoiled the roll (besides having my usual exasperation from blowing two frames from contact with each other) I had to suppress my initial elation. I told myself, "Joe, the light's not good and the film is still wet. Wait till the morining, when you can inspect it more thoroughly."

I just brought the finished roll up from my lair in the basement...

..........I'm speechless.........

I can only hope that my printing skills can improve enough to make something of these negatives.

I believe that I must now genulflect when passing by the Rodinal display at my local photo store (note: did not use the other term for photographic retail establishment)

modafoto · Mar 15, 2005

joeyk49 said:
..........I'm speechless.........

We told you so! Welcome to the ecstacy of Rod!

titrisol · Mar 15, 2005

And so it begins.....

joeyk49 said:
I just brought the finished roll up from my lair in the basement...

..........I'm speechless.........

Welcome to the ranks of the damned!!!

Soeren · Mar 15, 2005

titrisol said:
And so it begins.....

Welcome to the ranks of the damned!!!

You misspelled that it should be " welcome to the world of the blessed"
Cheers Søren

joeyk49 · Mar 16, 2005

Soeren said:
You misspelled that it should be " welcome to the world of the blessed"
Cheers Søren

Perspective...some view it as a blessing, some as a curse...However, (I hope)the result remains the same; more great photographs.

david b · Apr 26, 2005

Does anyone use 1+100 regularly? If so, what is the dev time and ISO/ASA ?

erikg · Apr 27, 2005

david b said:
Does anyone use 1+100 regularly? If so, what is the dev time and ISO/ASA ?

Oh yes. My long time standard for Pan-F+ is 1:100 for 8 min. @ 70F. I rate the film at 32. Very nice. I've done this since before the "+" was added to the name. This gives me a zone VIII highlight value of 1.20.

gnashings · Apr 28, 2005

Ha, I have been using Rodinal as my standard developer. A friend who knew I always wanted to get into this hobby showed up with a bottle of rodinal, half empty (full?) and handed it to me saying:

"you know the B&W shots you admire?" I said yes."Well, here is the stuff - its the Fender Strat, Gibson Les Paul, Porsche 911 of developers - timeless."

OK, I thought.

Didn't know there was such a cult following, and that I was a part of it...
People have told me: "Rodinal makes images grainy", etc.
Is that so? The only other developers I used were "pushing" developers (Microphen) - so obviously, a roll of 100 at 100 in Rodinal will give me no indication of grain vs lets say Delta 400 pushed to 800.

The reason I am here - tomorrow, I am doing my first photo "job" (for a friend, she will pay me by buying film and supplies - so no big "pro" job or anything - but still, I would like to come across as well as I can )

I have never shot PanF, but wanted to try it tomorrow. These will be outdoor portraits (head and full body shots) in period clothing. I wanted the fine grain of a slower film (it will be 35mm), hence my choice.

Now, the question is (thanks for reading the preceeding novel, by the way sorry! ):

Will I get the desired, smooth, fine grained results from Rodinal and Panf? What would be the time/soup combo you think will be best suited for this? Will it depend on the light (sunny, overcast, etc)?

I'm glad I now know where I belong...

Hail Rodinal!

Peter.

Pan F and Rodinal??

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