Pan Cinerad 250ft 35mm B&W Film?

Hey has anyone ever heard of this film? Seller says its supposedly its from Ilford, with ID label FT419X and is quite thin. I am guessing its similar to Polypan F. I could not find any info online. Seller is guessing its 20 years expired, if its slow like Polypan F it might have held up, but if its a faster film stock I will probably pass on it. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

Also could it be some sort of cineradiography film?

Looking at the add, the guy thinks it's over 20 years old and no storage info, I wouldn't risk it personally, and I could find no info at all with google in every combo I could think of.

I would at LEAST ask the seller to open it (in the dark) and take a good whiff, if it doesn't smell like vinegar then at least it's "usable" even if fogged. That's my suggestion. If the seller refuses or makes a lame excuse, don't buy it.

Newt_on_Swings said:

Also could it be some sort of cineradiography film?

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Yes, that was my first thought too. Though that would not make it special. Just some high speed pan film.

It is from ILFORD :

And it is Cineradiography film ( not a camera film ) for use in medical recording applications... has not been made for years since the use of ultrasound and MRI scanners....high contrast and well out of date.

Regards

Simon Galley ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Ah thanks a bunch for the info. I think I'll pass on this then if it's not really special. It's interesting that this was made as a pan film though. Could this film be somewhat similar to the agfa cinerex? A bunch of that was sold here in the classifieds awhile ago, but I think that was ortho though. Maybe they were designed for different color screens?

I had about 600 feet of cine film like that when the last CineArriflex cameras were replaced with digital recording devices around here. The stuff I got was very slow (exposure index 12), but extremely fine grained and difficult to process to a continuous tone (like tech pan). I got mine in 1998 but its mostly no good at this time (due to too many freeze-thaw cycles and condensation). Mine was also orthochromatic; the camera magazine changing area had a safelight for the technician. Clinical Cineangiography was, of course invented after the introduction of non-flammable film base so, no concern there.

My film also has a very thin base (but not as thin as the old 72 exposure HP5). You could put about 50 or 60 exposures in a typical 35mm canister.

In general this type of film records a B&W image from the cinefluroscopy intensifier which would be similar in concept to a Kinescope. The film does not get exposed to x-rays like x-ray film and has both blue and green sensitivity (but not red, as mentioned above).

Should work fine in a still 35mm camera, but I'd not pay money for the film. They still make fresh 35mm still camera film.

AgX said:

Yes, that was my first thought too. Though that would not make it special. Just some high speed pan film.

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I know of no (X-ray) image-intensifier tube that emits in the red.

(Assuming that "PAN" hints at being pancromatic, and "rad" hints at X-ray.)


But in angiography of the retina fluorescence in the yellow region is used. There also high speed films were used.

(But then term "rad" would make no sense. Or "Cinerad" was a brand generally used for medical films.)

My thoughts on that film being "PAN" are that it is re-purposed film.

Yes, I guess it is a panchromtic film a medical supplier offered for several applications in hospital.

Back in the day my hospital used cinefluouscopy in the heart lab; the film was panchrome, had to be loaded into magazines and the processor in total dark. I personally dealt with 150mm cut film and 70mm roll film in fluouroscopic imaging, also panchrome film requiring total dark. I would guess the speed of ortho (green-sensitive film in x-ray parlance; blue sensitive film was not called ortho in any rad lab I ever worked in) was too slow for rapid exposure. Panchrome is very sensitive to green light, IIRC, and I assume had a higher speed.

K.

Cut it down into 35mm cartridges, shoot it and start experimenting!

Dear Axle...

I'm always one for experimenting and not wasting things... but I have never taken photographs of the blood vessels to my heart....from an x.ray monitor... if I did I'd use this film, otherwise I would pass on it.....!

Dr.Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited.

OP, care to elaborate where did you find this film? I might be very interested in this, depending on the price.

VPooler said:

OP, care to elaborate where did you find this film? I might be very interested in this, depending on the price.

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It's right on eBay... Sorry OP but I found it with a 30 second google search. I would PM newton and ask him if it's ok to snag it, if someone hasn't already.

Yea it's on ebay I am not a fan of promoting ebay links here so I didn't post it. Just search for it and you will see it. I don't think any has sold.

Auction says there's 10 available? Geez. Personally I'd listen to Simon...