• Welcome to Photrio!
    Registration is fast and free. Join today to unlock search, see fewer ads, and access all forum features.
    Click here to sign up

OverExposed FP-4

sentinels of the door

A
sentinels of the door

  • 3
  • 0
  • 33
Sycamore Fruits

H
Sycamore Fruits

  • 0
  • 0
  • 21

Forum statistics

Threads
201,696
Messages
2,828,717
Members
100,894
Latest member
picpete
Recent bookmarks
0

seawolf66

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Dec 31, 2006
Messages
171
Location
outside bost
Format
Multi Format
Thru my own stupidity I over exposed two sheets of FP-4 , I exposed at F-5.6 for 15 seconds BUT should done it at F-22 at 15 seconds so that puts me about 5 stops over Now Ilford says you can over expose by 6 stops????

I also rated this FP-4 at ISO-50;

If I had done the exposure correctly , I would then develope this film 1-3 dilution for 13 minutes : Do Not know or remember how to adjust my developement time or would it be better to cut it to 1-4 dilution , If so
what would be my developement time with the new dilution ::
 
Last edited by a moderator:

nickandre

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Oct 22, 2007
Messages
1,918
Location
Seattle WA
Format
Medium Format
No personal experience with 6 stop overexposure, but I believe it will still be printable. You can use a reducer if you go over in the dev time. It won't be optimal, but I think it will be doable.
 

Vaughn

Subscriber
Allowing Ads
Joined
Dec 13, 2006
Messages
10,275
Location
Humboldt Co.
Format
Large Format
Besides donating it to NASA for shielding against comic rays, developing it normally and the careful use of Farmer's Reducer might get printable negative.

Vaughn
 

Curt

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Sep 22, 2005
Messages
4,618
Location
Pacific Nort
Format
Multi Format
I had a similar situation, I had my meter set for EI 25 then used film holders filled with 400 that I use at EI 200. I decided to develop them, 6, in HC110 Semi Stand 1:63 15 minutes. They came out great, I was surprised that they were not totally dense.
 

2F/2F

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Apr 29, 2008
Messages
8,031
Location
Los Angeles,
Format
Multi Format
Hi,

f/22 to 16 to 11 to 8 to 5.6 means four stops over. Rating it at 50 will have different effects for different people. That would add two stops for me, as I tested it at EI 200, but it's only 2/3-stop over for my friend Rafael, who tested it at EI 80. Lets just assume it's a 100 film for you, so that means you are over by five stops.

If you are five stops over, and your method of deciding which exposure to use would have placed your very darkest points in the composition as a pitch black (zone 0), then these areas are now exposed so they will be a middle grey! You wont' be able to get them all that much lower with development, since they were placed as a low midtone, so your shadows are going to be very dense no matter what. You also have created a very low contrast situation by shoving a bunch of tones onto your film's shoulder. Underdevelopment will only exacerbate the low contrast situation, but it is still your best option. No matter what you do with development, they are going to be somewhat tough to print, so get ready for that!

With your 12 minute normal developing time, you have leeway to cut a lot of time while still achieving even development. But first, I would work to find your maximum dilution. Find out the minimum amounts of stock solution needed for your developer. Usually you can easily get by with half as much as the manufacturers recommend. Say they recommend 2 oz. stock for a roll. That means you can use 1 oz. and still develop the roll to completion. However, your particular film is going to suck up developer activity like mad. It got 32x more light than it should have. This makes figuring minimum amounts of stock difficult. I might, in fact, go with 2 oz. of stock., and the rest water in this case. Just a guess, to make sure the development is even.

Assuming you are using roll film and can use a 16 oz. tank, since there would be 2 oz. of stock, you can have a 1:7 dilution. If you have an 8 oz. tank, you can only get a 1:3 dilution. If a 32 oz. tank, you can get a 1:15 dilution. The dilution simply gives you longer development times. For a given frequency of agitation, half as much stock for twice the developing time will develop the film the same amount. Therefore, since you are used to 1:3 at 13 minutes, assume 26 minutes at 1:7, if you agitate the same way as normal. A normal development time this long lets you cut an immense percentage of your development time without risking uneven development from too short a development time.

So, I'd assume you need to cut 20% per stop of pulling. (This is WAY rough figurin' here.) Also, I'd assume you can't pull more than three stops, so 26 minutes x 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 is about 13:20. About 13 minutes. So, I'd use the normal time, but at twice the dilution. I might even just go with a flat ten minutes just to see what happens.

No matter what you do, your negs are going to be dense, flat, and grainy. You can make up for the density and flatness to a large degree when you print.

You can also use bleach! Great stuff. I use it often to make printing easier when I have intentionally overexposed and overdeveloped in order to get lots of grain.

A good option is to shoot another unimportant roll the same way, and test it first.

BTW, your name is not a reference to SSN-21, is it?
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Dan Henderson

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Feb 6, 2005
Messages
1,880
Location
Blue Ridge,
Format
4x5 Format
Have you considered reciprocity? If your indicated exposure time was 15 seconds, your actual exposure time should have been around 45 seconds, so the film may only be a couple of stops overexposed. If it were me and these negatives were extremely important to me, I would expose another sheet at f/5.6 for 15 seconds, develop it normally, and see what it looks like before thinking about underdeveloping.
 

2F/2F

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Apr 29, 2008
Messages
8,031
Location
Los Angeles,
Format
Multi Format
Good point, Dan. I totally missed that the OP's exposure was so long.

So, it is about three and a half stops over instead of five. That is much nicer to deal with.
 
OP
OP
seawolf66

seawolf66

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Dec 31, 2006
Messages
171
Location
outside bost
Format
Multi Format
The responce from Ilford :


Dear Lauren,

Unfortunately with that amount of overexposure the results are not going to be very good. I would suggest, keeping the same dilution and reducing the dev time down to around 7 or 8 minutes, my worry is that if you go any shorter the negatives will be so lacking in contrast as to be unprintable. In any event the highlights will be pretty blocked up.

Hope this helps. I'll be curious to know how this works out as this is a quite extreme situation unfortunately.

Good luck

Rod for HARMAN techsupport

So I developed at in ID-11 at 1 to 3 dilution at 68 for 9 mins, Will have someone tell how good the negative is:
 
OP
OP
seawolf66

seawolf66

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Dec 31, 2006
Messages
171
Location
outside bost
Format
Multi Format
The negative appears to be OK , I have cloud highlites and have shadow detail in the clouds, the rest looks good , Spoke to a teacher at NESOP
here in boston where I took a large format course, teacher felt that the negative was ok for 3-1/2 stops over ! Will print on VC paper and see how it comes out : Thank for all the Input on this matter : Laurenand Idea:

Here is a foto of the place from a digital file : Just to give you
 

Attachments

  • winchester-pond-8702 (Medium) (Medium) (Small).jpg
    winchester-pond-8702 (Medium) (Medium) (Small).jpg
    71.8 KB · Views: 148
Joined
Jan 21, 2003
Messages
15,715
Location
Switzerland
Format
Multi Format
15 seconds for FP4 seems to translate into about 2 minutes for me with reciprocity (according to my own experience, not Ilford's numbers). If your negs came out great - no wonder! :smile:
I would have processed normal.
- Thomas
 

AndrewH

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
May 27, 2003
Messages
112
Location
Chicago, IL
Format
Large Format Pan
Microdol, Microdol, Microdol. Soft working developer. Speed reducing.
 
OP
OP
seawolf66

seawolf66

Member
Allowing Ads
Joined
Dec 31, 2006
Messages
171
Location
outside bost
Format
Multi Format
OK: Here is the result for that overexposed negative:

OK The details: As follows:
FP-4 rated at ISO 50 shot thru a red filter 3x Metered and for F-22 got a 15 seconds exposure and no reciprocity included !

The lens used was a Planatograph lens by Baush & Lomb century shutter about 1900 vintage :

Developed in ID-11 at 68 degrees in a dilution of 1-3 for a total of Nine minutes

Scanned on a epson scanner at school and the only correction s were highlights and contrast ?
 

Attachments

  • winchstr-fls-pond-4 (Medium).jpg
    winchstr-fls-pond-4 (Medium).jpg
    70.1 KB · Views: 129
Last edited by a moderator:
Photrio.com contains affiliate links to products. We may receive a commission for purchases made through these links.
To read our full affiliate disclosure statement please click Here.

PHOTRIO PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Ilford ADOX Freestyle Photographic Stearman Press Weldon Color Lab Blue Moon Camera & Machine
Top Bottom