Ouch, first bank film, suspects Canon T70 film advance/operator error?

jay moussy · Jul 1, 2022

Well, this is my first blank roll!
Not a development problem, other roll in tank did just fine.

Camera was Canon T70,which automates film loading.
I just checked, shutter fires as normal. battery was, and is still good.

So it is possible the film advance did not work, or, more likely, I was not careful enough to position film properly to the advance mechanism, and film just sat.
I will use a very old color film I use for testing and open it mid-roll to see how it moved, or not.

Now, on this type of auto film load, cameras how does one verify that film is indeed advancing, beyond what the display may say?

MattKing · Jul 1, 2022

How is the edge printing on the blank roll?

jay moussy · Jul 1, 2022

MattKing said:
How is the edge printing on the blank roll?

I see the Ilford markings.
Was developed in tandem with a Kentmere roll, which came just fine.

EDIT: a test with old junk roll sort of proves it was operator error'!
At first try, the film did not engage, openiong film door after a few frames and film was still at the start position.
A more careful attempt with feeding a bit more film leader into the mechanism, a bit past the red mark indicator, and film did advance as expected.
I still would be nice to have a positive confirmation that it is actually happening.

gone · Jul 1, 2022

I agree, you wonder why they didn't put a film counter on it that could recognize this.

MattKing · Jul 1, 2022

A test that might help.
Load it in the way that you are sure worked, close the back and listen to the sound it makes as it advances to the first frame, as well as the sound it makes when it advances frame to frame.
Perhaps even record the sound.
Next, load the film incorrectly, and listen to the sound as it advances to the first frame, as well as the sound it makes when it advances frame to frame.
Does it sound different.
And in case you haven't done so, have you read this page of the camera manual?

jay moussy · Jul 1, 2022

momus said:
I agree, you wonder why they didn't put a film counter on it that could recognize this.

The LCD screen does display the frame count and a little motion animation, I think.

I may have been lax in paying attention to the display, as film advance is noisy enough!
I may check the manual to see if there is an error message dedicated to no film advance. There is one "E" for no film.

IGNORE: Matt's suggestions ^^cover that (I think)

AgX · Jul 1, 2022

Matt got it right !

(Operator error... : I once was even successfull in exposing the pressure plate of a T70 with a lot of most important pictures, as I was sure the camera was loaded, but it too late turned out it was not. The T70 is not fool-proof against this. BUT it got indicators to a least show that something is going wrong, IF one knows what to look for [what Matt is showing])

jay moussy · Jul 1, 2022

AgX said:
Matt got it right !

The T70 is not fool-proof against this. BUT it got indicators to a least show that something is going wrong, IF one knows what to look for [what Matt is showing])

That means one has to pay very close attention to what the display shows, at initial loading, which is quite fast.
My photo session for that roll was busy city streets, after a complicated paperwork appointment, and I failed my camera preparation! It was also the second time I used the T70, so lack of familiarity was also a thing.

AgX · Jul 1, 2022

That I considered a unloaded T70 as loaded and did not realize the cassette icon missing is one thing, but that the automatic film-take-up would not work properly surprises me.

Yes, then one likely has to check that ikon for this too. Unless we see the cassette and 3 strips, something is wrong.
BUT one does not need to look for the strips adding up, just looking after loading for the full 3 strips icon is sufficient.

flavio81 · Jul 5, 2022

jay moussy said:
I still would be nice to have a positive confirmation that it is actually happening.

There is a positive confirmation. Read the manual. Why don't people read the user manuals?

Don't blame Canon. Canon loves you.

Page 14, film loading

flavio81 · Jul 5, 2022

MattKing said:
A test that might help.
Load it in the way that you are sure worked, close the back and listen to the sound it makes as it advances to the first frame, as well as the sound it makes when it advances frame to frame.
Perhaps even record the sound.
Next, load the film incorrectly, and listen to the sound as it advances to the first frame, as well as the sound it makes when it advances frame to frame.
Does it sound different.
And in case you haven't done so, have you read this page of the camera manual?

Lol, i just read your post and realized this was already posted...

Helge · Jul 5, 2022

Love this camera. They are super reliable. And the program modes are superb.
Only thing missing is multi exposure.

foc · Jul 6, 2022

I always thought that the LCD displays were very helpful but you do need to look at them. Of course easier to say in hindsight.

AgX · Jul 6, 2022

It is helpful, if you know what to look for. Including something which may NOT be displayed.

If for instance you got a display which at each releasing shows the counter go further, you may be led astray...
As already said in this thread: read that manual. (I speak out of experience.)

jay moussy · Jul 6, 2022

There is a question of timing: you just released the shutter, and in an instant, the display would show the motorized film advance bar.

I am new to this model, so I need to practice with a old test roll and observe carefully, and trust the display.

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