OSIRIS = JOBO ???

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

Typing OSIRIS in search here produced no results. Is this something new? Have JOBO designs been taken over and are now produced under OSIRIS? I have come across this name on ebay looking for JOBO sheet film reel, then typed it into search engine

OSIRIS first result I got.

Anyone has used this new old thing ? Looks identical in design to what JOBO made and all parts compatible with old JOBO tanks as well.

prado333 · Dec 9, 2021

As always , another chinese copy

prado333 · Dec 9, 2021

Jobo puts the design I+D and a chinese company copy that .

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

prado333 said:
Jobo puts the design I+D and a chinese company copy that .

I don't know JOBO's story of today. I'd be surprised if actual manufacturing is not done in China. Many long term deals with outsourced productions have limited time design ownership, allowing later to release same product under another name. While ORISIS name does not seem to pop too much outside China, I'm not willing to call these products illegal knock-offs just yet.

Hopefully someone has first hand information on this.

AgX · Dec 9, 2021

prado333 said:
Jobo puts the design I+D and a chinese company copy that .

This seems to me another of those anti-chinese posts I see here so much.

Well, the idea to stimulate copying is actually behind the idea of patents.

Futhermore VTLD made a good point. We came across this idea already in the past when discussing a copy of a Jobo device.

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

And while on it, if anyone has used these ORISIS versions, I'd be interested to know quality comparison to actual JOBO branded ones. They look identical from photos I've seen, hence my assertion they are indeed coming off same production line.

Lachlan Young · Dec 9, 2021

@VTLD having encountered an OSIRIS tank, it's clearly not a Jobo (which are made in Germany in relatively small scale, hence why they're expensive), nor made on the same tooling - there's a whole lot of differences that are much more obvious (surface texture for one - and the tank lengths) in making clear they're made to look Jobo-ish, but not to the specifications needed.

foc · Dec 9, 2021

I noticed on the website in the link above OSIRIS, when I clicked on the related product Orchis F1 Automatic Film Washing Machine I got a redirect saying "violation of policies, stop selling"

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

foc said:
I noticed on the website in the link above OSIRIS, when I clicked on the related product Orchis F1 Automatic Film Washing Machine I got a redirect saying "violation of policies, stop selling"

Link works for me as I inserted it, so cannot help.

AgX · Dec 9, 2021

foc said:
I noticed on the website in the link above OSIRIS, when I clicked on the related product Orchis F1 Automatic Film Washing Machine I got a redirect saying "violation of policies, stop selling"

Whose policies?

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

Lachlan Young said:
@VTLD having encountered an OSIRIS tank, it's clearly not a Jobo (which are made in Germany in relatively small scale, hence why they're expensive), nor made on the same tooling - there's a whole lot of differences that are much more obvious (surface texture for one - and the tank lengths) in making clear they're made to look Jobo-ish, but not to the specifications needed.

Thanks, that helps. It just struck me from few pics how similar they looked.

foc · Dec 9, 2021

VTLD said:
Link works for me as I inserted it, so cannot help.

I got onto the website and view the product, no problem, it was when I wanted to view another "related product" that I got the redirect.

AgX said:
Whose policies?

Exactly. It didn't inspire confidence in the website or product.

AgX · Dec 9, 2021

No, I mean anyone can state that someone violates against something.
This thread already shows proof of this.

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

foc said:
I got onto the website and view the product, no problem, it was when I wanted to view another "related product" that I got the redirect.

Sometimes we all better off without digging in too deep

But, linked so it was clear what I was referring to. Not really ordering ORISIS, looking at actual thing instead.

Lachlan Young · Dec 9, 2021

VTLD said:
Thanks, that helps. It just struck me from few pics how similar they looked.

I'll put it this way - the OSIRIS tank gave the sense of having been designed/ tooled by someone who had only ever seen a Jobo in a picture - or had only been sent a dimensioned drawing of one.

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

Lachlan Young said:
I'll put it this way - the OSIRIS tank gave the sense of having been designed/ tooled by someone who had only ever seen a Jobo in a picture - or had only been sent a dimensioned drawing of one.

I see, even better I'm sticking with original, thanks.

TheFlyingCamera · Dec 9, 2021

I don't know about any OSIRIS tanks, but some years ago they did launch a knock-off ATL (I think it was the ATL-1, maybe the 1000?) whatever was the smallest one that could handle 2500 series tanks. I don't think it would handle Expert drums, and if it did, it was only the 3010/3006 drums, not the bigger 3005 that runs 8x10 film. From what I remember, it was somewhat short-lived, or at the very least they did not have distribution outside China.

Jobo is still in business and still making Jobo-branded processing equipment and accessories. It has been quite a turnaround - there was a time maybe 10 years ago when it seemed like they were going to close up shop - now they have two NEW processors (CPE3 and CPP3), plus they are making all the drums, tanks and reels again.

AgX · Dec 9, 2021

TheFlyingCamera said:
There was a time maybe 10 years ago when it seemed like [Jobo] were going to close up shop.

Actually they were in financial trouble the years before and the world financial crisis finally made them go into insolvency and a new Jobo firm was erected with only a tiny fraction of people of what worked there years before.

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

AgX said:
Actually they were in financial trouble the years before and the world financial crisis finally made them go into insolvency and a new Jobo firm was erected with only a tiny fraction of people of what worked there years before.

But now they seem to be doing fine, correct?

AgX · Dec 9, 2021

Our lab stuff is only a part of their business, furthermore the family is behind other photographic enterprises too.

Sal Santamaura · Dec 9, 2021

prado333 said:
Jobo puts the design I+D and a chinese company copy that .

VTLD said:
I don't know JOBO's story of today. I'd be surprised if actual manufacturing is not done in China...

Genuine JOBO products are manufactured in Germany.

AgX said:
This seems to me another of those anti-chinese posts I see here so much...

I can speak only for my own posts. With respect to Chinese products, a very small minority of them are manufactured to high quality standards using durable, safe materials. Doing so is within the capability of some Chinese manufacturers. Part of that tiny fraction of products is manufactured under contract to brands from other countries, and an even smaller portion (including some specialized ones in the photography arena) are produced under the name of their actual Chinese companies.

However, the vast majority of Chinese goods are shoddily made from substandard, if not dangerous, materials. Even the power cable that came with my wife's new Apple laptop exudes a repulsive, who-knows-whether-it's-toxic stench. Most consumers know the price of all things and the value of none. During the 1950s and 1960s the phrase "Japanese junk" came into widespread use. Japan's government took decisive action to marshal its industries so that continuous quality improvement became the norm, eventually making that phrase disappear. China, however, has apparently not moved similarly. The phrase "Chinese junk" is today widely applicable. It's not "anti-Chinese" but rather an accurate characterization of most products from that country.

VTLD said:
...I'm sticking with original...

Excellent decision.

AgX · Dec 9, 2021

Likely the high quality products are kept by the Chinese for themselves

My comment was based on two posts that I read as blaming chinese products as being offered illegally or unethically.

Sal Santamaura · Dec 9, 2021

AgX said:
...chinese products...being offered illegally or unethically.

Intellectual property appropriation by Chinese companies, aided and abetted by the Chinese government, has long been and continues to be a problem. It's frequently achieved via theft, but even when accomplished legally (often in exchange for market access) I consider it unethical.

Sirius Glass · Dec 9, 2021

I do not know about OSIRIS. but Jobo has a long history of reliable equipment that produces consistent results. Why you spend money on a dark horse?

Deleted member 88956 · Dec 9, 2021

Sirius Glass said:
I do not know about OSIRIS. but Jobo has a long history of reliable equipment that produces consistent results. Why you spend money on a dark horse?

No intentions, just plain research as I was not aware of Jobo situation, now I am.

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