Original "Arista.edu" Hungary is what Forte film?

[PHOTOTONE]

A few years ago I purchased a couple of bricks of 120 size original "Arista.edu" Made in Hungary film. It was real cheap. ISO 100. I found that it did not have frame numbers, and it was the curliest stuff I ever tried to handle. I kinda gave up on it. Now with Forte possibly shut down, I was wondering was this "budget" film a custom coat for Freestyle, or was it a common Forte emulsion just custom packaged?. I would guess that not edge-numbering the film was a cost savings. I am also thinking that they did not do a supra-coat on the base side to counteract curling. Do normal Forte films curl badly? Anyone else have experience with this original "Arista.edu" and any corresponding Forte labeled film?

 

[Metroman]

My (limited) understanding is that it is Forte as is Fortepan and Classicpan (here in the UK). But you are right about it being horrendously curly. The first time I used the 120 Classicpan eco 100 I nearly took my eye out when I cut it after drying. Damn thing sprang about three feet in the air. Again no frame numbers but at least they didn't skimp on the backing paper frame numbers!

Having said that I do like the results I get in my old Franka Solida IIR with it and dunked in Adox APH09.

 

[PHOTOTONE]

So, the Fortepan (Classicpan) ALSO does not have edge numbers, and ALSO curls like a scared squirrel?

 

[Metroman]

Yep, no numbers.

It's real fun trying to get it into the negative carrier on my Epson V750 Pro. You need to be an octopus ;o)

 

[fschifano]

Yep, no numbers.

It's real fun trying to get it into the negative carrier on my Epson V750 Pro. You need to be an octopus ;o)

That's exactly my experience with the stuff, but otherwise it's not too bad. Boy is that stuff curly! Right now I'm having a pretty good time with the Arista.EDU Ultra, which is rebadged Foma film. Again, not too bad and maybe a little better than the rebadged Forte films.

The breakdown for Arista.EDU fillms is:
Arista.EDU 100 = Fortepan 100
Arista.EDU 200 = Fortepan 200
Arista.EDU 400 = Fortepan 400

 

[aldevo]

That's exactly my experience with the stuff, but otherwise it's not too bad. Boy is that stuff curly! Right now I'm having a pretty good time with the Arista.EDU Ultra, which is rebadged Foma film. Again, not too bad and maybe a little better than the rebadged Forte films.

The breakdown for Arista.EDU fillms is:
Arista.EDU 100 = Fortepan 100
Arista.EDU 200 = Fortepan 200
Arista.EDU 400 = Fortepan 400

What Frank said, though it might be worth mentioning that the Fortepan 200 film is really a Bergger recipe (BRF-200). In my opinion, the 200 speed is easily the best of the lot. I haven't got much in the way of kind things to say about Fortepan 100 other than that it's not a bad film to cut your teeth on if you want to start learning how to develop film yourself. The reason being that it's been pretty cheap to buy if you purchase it in J&C Classic 100 or Arista.EDU Hungary 100 guise.

 

[PHOTOTONE]

What Frank said, though it might be worth mentioning that the Fortepan 200 film is really a Bergger recipe (BRF-200). In my opinion, the 200 speed is easily the best of the lot.

Forte were making a ISO200 film before Bergger came along. I have a box of the 4x5. Did they change their recipe across the board and substitute the Bergger one?

 

[uraniumnitrate]

What Frank said, though it might be worth mentioning that the Fortepan 200 film is really a Bergger recipe (BRF-200). In my opinion, the 200 speed is easily the best of the lot. I haven't got much in the way of kind things to say about Fortepan 100 other than that it's not a bad film to cut your teeth on if you want to start learning how to develop film yourself. The reason being that it's been pretty cheap to buy if you purchase it in J&C Classic 100 or Arista.EDU Hungary 100 guise.

No! The other way around. There is no such film as Bergger and no recepie either as bergger, it's all Forte
Sorry.

 

[uraniumnitrate]

Forte were making a ISO200 film before Bergger came along. I have a box of the 4x5. Did they change their recipe across the board and substitute the Bergger one?

That's correct.

 

[aldevo]

That's correct.

I'm confused

PHOTONE - Are you asking whether Forte changed their ISO 200 film to Bergger's recipe?

URANIUMNITRATE - Are you stating that Bergger never gave any recipe to Forte and that Bergger just had Forte label some of their film as Bergger?

I think that is what you both said.

 

[uraniumnitrate]

I'm confused

PHOTONE - Are you asking whether Forte changed their ISO 200 film to Bergger's recipe?
URANIUMNITRATE - Are you stating that Bergger never gave any recipe to Forte and that Bergger just had Forte label some of their film as Bergger?

I think that is what you both said.

The highlighted first;

No there is no change of recipe at all. It's works fine as is so don't need to save silver out of the emulsion as others do. Than the film is not able to reproduce in the shadows aria with difficult light conditions.
A multiply coating had been applied lately.

The second;

They might have some recipe's brought from the other French manufacturer who went broke at least thet what they are saying but It's never been applied at Forte.



Don't be confused it's a moneymaking world and there is no rules to be fallow. Some times you make a bargain sometimes you got rip off.

By the way I have heard that the Indian paper manufacturer Sterling had been closed down too.
And it's all thanks to the cameras with the mobile phone inbuilt!

I think people about to understand that a lot's of things can happen or go wrong with digital imaging and some of those might even loose their family histories and a lot more! PC’s break down and CD’s might damage and newer technolodgy comes around which cant receive the old signals, just to mention some.
A negative is always a negative and been around for over a hundred years. I mean I have digital too it’s a Kodak “easy share” and it is what it's says easy share. I use it ifI want to sell my car or a lens on Ebay. The dog of the family worth more than that.

Don’t worry; we are the thru artist’s! The others are handicapped with out those hundreds of names coming up on their monitor when they open up Photoshop.
I call them “imageholics”!
(if there is no such word in English than I added this expression today to the English language) ;-)

 

[jstraw]

I believe that Bergger never made the film or had any recipe and that Forte has always made it and OEM'd it for Bergger to label and that it is the same film that's sold as Forte, J&C, etc.