Ordered my Hasselblad ... now what?

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Hi folks ... I ordered a nice little starter Hassie system from David Odess yesterday (my first M/F camera). Several items in his web site's "For Sale" section have recently gone missing. They are mine ... .
So now I need some advice on how to use the equipment without doing it or myself any harm. I 'm interested in book suggestions, but initially will be looking on the web. So any appropriate web links would be greatly appreciated. Also, any general advice from Hassleblad users that might help a total Hassie novice avoid any common traps.

The system:
500CM with WLF and rapid wind crank
80mm CF
NC-2
A12

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Get a photographer to help you.

I can't help you with a Hassy, but check out local photographers or retired ones in your area. If you don't know of any, ask photographers if they know of someone that uses Hassys. I gave some equipment to my local mueseum and the guy there had several cameras from digital Nikon's to Hassys. Local schools or colleges might have someone that knows about them. After all, most pro photographers that have been doing photography for the last 30 years have no doubt used a 500. In the case of the mueseum photographer, we got talking about digitals and I said that I could put a digital back on my camera (Mamiya Rb67 Pro S), and he was surprised. Then I pointed to his Hassleblad 500 and said, you can put one on that thing too. He said, you can? So the point is I guess we never stop learning in this photograhy game. Ric in Berlin, Wi.
 

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Read the manual.
It's short. so...

Don't let the links Steve provided scare you.
Though perhaps nice to know in the long run, nothing you will have to deal with. You are getting your kit from David Odess, so why you would need those links?

You will have to change the light seal in a magazine in a couple of yeras time. Then again in another couple of years. It's regular maintenance.

But in decades of using Hasselblads, i never needed to unjam a Hasselblad. So why Steve thinks you need not just one, but no less than two links to instructions...?

Wildi's book (indeed, not the last two editions) are great. You probably will be able to get one through a local library.

But there is also this forum too. Ask anything you want to ask.
 

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I've run into two issues that are unique to Hasselblad. First, just make sure the body and lens are in the same state when removing and installing a lens....either cocked or uncocked. I make it easier and just wind on after each exposure so this is never a problem. Second has to do with extension tubes. Install the tube then lens and reverse the process for removal. Don't remove the lens-tube assembly then the tube. It is a recoverable sin and David Odess talked me through it.
 

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You made a very good purchase from a terrific person, Dave Odess. I bought a 500C/M from him a couple years ago and it has always worked just fine. Never a glitch.

Welcome to the world of Hasselblad.
 

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The shutter in the lens fires and you have to recock it, keep a penny in your pocket and you'll never need be concerned. Just remember to build out to the lens, and reverse when you disassemble.
 

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Welcome to the club! The first roll of film that I loaded in the A12 back went horribly wrong. Then I watched the video. No worries since then.
 

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Here are a couple of hints -

Use the mirror pre-release when using exposures of 1/8 or longer - big difference. Same with the shutter lock lever on the front - during long exposures the back shutter will come down as soon as you release the shutter button if you don't or don't remember to hold the shutter button/cable open manually - this can be tough to get used to if you are new to the system and take long exposures.

If you hand hold and are using the waist level finder to shoot people practice a lot - it is hard to get used to the visual flip flop where you have to move the camera in the opposite direction that you want the frame to change. Get used to it at home by doing it all the time until you don't think about it any more - sort of like driving on the "wrong" side of the road.

Get some extension tubes - the 16's and 32's are real useful and you can get them cheap as long as you don't get the "E" version - those are idiotic.

I agree with the compendium shade - get a lee and buy the square filters so you don;t go down the path of filter hell.

If you want a shoot tele lens don't be afraid of the CB 160 - it is probably one of the most under-rated lenses ever. The build quality is fantastic - the same as the CFi series. You can pick up a CB 160 that looks like it was never out of the box for a song and I personally would choose it over a beat up or really old C / CF in the same range. I have a CFi 150 CFi 180 and CB 160 (yes I am a Zeiss glass freak and a short tele freak) and the 160 is no slouch compared to the other lenses that cost 2x as much. Ergonomics are excellent as well.

If you are a wide guy the FLE lenses are way better than the non-FLE with the exception of the biogon.

Get yourself a couple of magazines i - they are now cheap (I think I paid like 700 for mine new) and come in very very handy no matter what you shoot - with people you can load up the same film and not have to reload. With landscape you can have N, N-, and N+ designated backs, different speeds, etc.

Use the little fired/not fired dots to match up same to same on the body/mags as a matter of practice.

Hmmm...

Oh one last thing - try some square compositions vs always shooting for the crop - they are challenging but beautiful when you get it right.

RB

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What happens when you do that?

If I remember correctly (wouldn't bet on that!), the lens and the body wouldn't mate even though they were both cocked. David told me how to trip the shutter off the body. I then cocked the lens manually and it was fine.

BTW - I also opted to get a set up from David Odess. It proved to be a great experience and would do it again.
 
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Thanks all ...
Ric, digital back ... hmmm ... I'd have to sell my car I guess.
Steve, I ordered a copy of Wildi's 5th edition last night.
Q.G., I've downloaded the manual ... several.
Mark, I'm stayin' cocked.
wclark5179, are all you guys on the Dave Odess payroll or something? ... He must be lovin' this forum.
Venchka, yep ... the film loading looks scary.
RB, yes I intend to grab at least another one magazine ... just as soon as the bank balance recovers.
Thanks again
 

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What is going on with that mount unmount sequence thing is the following.
A bit long winded, but then you'll know the what, how and why.
And when you know and understand the what, how and why of mechanical things, it's easy not to break them.

First go back in your mind to the early 1950s. Electronics and electronically controlled mechanics are things still far away.

The early Hasselblads had a focal plane shutter in the body. The moving parts in the lens (the diaphragm) was of the manual type, i.e. you, not the camera had to close and open the thing. No problem there. The entire mechanism was in one place.
But when they decided to change to leaf shutters, there was a problem that had to be solved.

With a leaf shutter in the lens of a SLR camera, the release sequence is quite complicated.
- You start with the lens wide open, so you can focus and compose. Something (a baffle shutter in the Hasselblad) has to protect the film against exposure to light while you do.
- When you decide to press the shutter release, both mirror and that baffle shutter must get away from in front of the film, but not after the shutter in the lens has closed to keep the film from being exposed. At that same time the shutter closes, the diaphragm closes too.
- When the mirror and baffle shutter has cleared the film, the shutter in the lens can open for the timed exposure. Then closes again.
- To reset the camera, the rear baffle shutter must cover the film again (which happens when you let go of the release button), the mirror must return to the viewing position, and both diaphragm and leaf shutter must open again (all these things happen, as well as winding film on to the next frame, when you turn the wind knob/crank).

This sequence of things happening in the camera and in the lens must be synchronized, so that they happen in the right order.
How to achieve that synchronisation between body and lens was the thing that needed solving.
Making it a bit more difficult was that lenses needed to be freely changeable.
And it needed an elegant solution. No bars and cogs running from camera to lens on the outside. And no tinkering to unlock complicated links between camera and lens everytime you wanted to change to another lens.

The solution they came up with was simple (when you know how to do something, it always appears simple ).

It starts with the mechanism in the lens (shutter and diaphragm). This mechanism is sprung, primed, ready to do it's business. No intricate control. Nothing fancy. Just ready and rearing to go.

It is held back however by a small catch: have a look a the rear end of a Hasselblad lens, and you'll see a tiny lever inside a semicircular surround.
You can release the mechanism by tripping that tiny catch with your finger. (Nothing bad will happen, but you will have to recock the lens afterwards.) When you do, there is no stopping it: the entire sequence runs its course.

When you mount the lens to a camera, the key on the front of the camera slots inside the slotted end of the lens' sprung drive axle.
When it is almost entirely 'there' a small pin on the camera trips the catch on the lens.
Now the key on the camera is the thing that is holding the axle, controlling the release of the mechanism in the lens.

And that's how they synchronize body with lens: at different stages of the body's release cycle the key rotates part of the way, allowing the mechanism in the lens to release only as far as is admissable. When the body takes another step, the key rotates further allowing the mechanism in the lens to proceed a bit further too, until the entire release sequence has completed with every step in the right order, perfectly synchronized between body and lens.


The bit to really remember out of that all is that only a small catch in the lens itself is keeping it from releasing, with a strong spring in the lens ready to go.
And that the camera has a pin that trips that catch.
Which it can do safely, because at the point that the catch is tripped, the camera itself, through the key, is the 'anchor' that stops the spring doing its business.

An extension tube goes between camera and lens (nothing there you didn't know).
That means it must have a key to slot inside the lens' drive axle, but also a pin to trip the catch inside the lens.
And that's where trouble looms. The extension tube is perfectly capable of unleashing the power of the spring in the lens, but usually not strong enough to act as an achor the way the camera can. (There is a similar catch and sprung axle in all but the shortest extension tubes too. But it's just not strong enough to widthstand the power of the springs in the lens.)

So what can happen when there is no camera to act as anchor at the end of the line, is that the lens and tube release in unison.
By itself no problem. You just insert a coin in the slotted axle end of the tube, and cock the entire thing, both tube and lens, again.
When you do, the thing will want to release again, so you usually need three or four hands (i make it sound worse than it is) to get the lens of the tube.

The big, only true problem occurs when the lens releases while you are actually rotating it to take it off the tube. Then, the slotted axle will turn a bit, no longer lining up with the pins and key in the mount, and it will neither come off, nor will it rotate back so you can recock the thing.
A similar thing can happen when you try to mount or remove an assembly of lens-on-tube to or from the camera.

It's rather difficult (but not impossible) to get out the fix you'll find yourself in then. So better do your best to avoid getting into it.
So always remember that the camera is the anchor, and every bit that you put on the front end of it needs to be anchored to the camera, before you can put another thing on it.
So put things on one by one, adding new things to ones that are safely connected to the camera already.

And always remember that when you are removing things, the little catch in the thing that you are removing will have to hold things. Which it will, but only reliably when all it has to hold, all it has to 'anchor', is the sprung mechanism in the bit itself is part of.
So take things off one by one, keeping the other bits you want to take off 'anchored' safely to the camera until their turn to be the outermost has come.
 
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I have a lens that once it is off the camera, it likes to fire itself. The first time this happened, I turned the screw and it did not stay cocked. I finally figured out that you just have to keep turning the screw until the aperture is completely open and then it cocks. With the two urls, one can figure that out.

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Reading the manual once you'd know that too.
But without the unnecessarily scary context.

Why haven't you read a manual still???
 

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I don't have any of this on my 501c, or do I? Anyway, I don't think it makes any difference with, what I call, long exposures (8s-8min), only with longer exposures around 1s. Camera shake is no issue with long exposures!
 

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I don't have any of this on my 501c, or do I? Anyway, I don't think it makes any difference with, what I call, long exposures (8s-8min), only with longer exposures around 1s. Camera shake is no issue with long exposures!

You don't have the shutter lock to keep the back doors open but you already know that so you probably use a locking cable release.

You do have a mirror pre-release it is the lever under the wind knob - check it - you may find it useful.

RB
 

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Mark ... Winding on after each exposure ... doesn't that result in accidental exposures? ... Or is there a shutter release lock in there somewhere on the CM?

There is. It is the dark slide.
Push it into the magazine, and the shutter is blocked.

You do need to wind on after each exposure to open the shutter in the lens.
Don't do that, and you can't see anything through the viewfinder.
 
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You don't have the shutter lock to keep the back doors open but you already know that so you probably use a locking cable release.

The locking lever was nice, but not really very usefull.
Doing long exposures, you had to touch the camera, get your finger on that small lever, and twist it, with the lens still open.
Anyone want an extra helping of camera shake? Try that.

The locking lever does nothing when you use a cable release (it only locks the actual button, which isn't pushed when you are using a cable release).
And since a cable release is the thing to use: exit locking lever.
 

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Hate to argue but you are WRONG. if you twist the lever before you release the shutter it also holds the back curtains open until you twist it back when the exposure is open - try it if you don't believe me.

RB

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You don't have the shutter lock to keep the back doors open but you already know that so you probably use a locking cable release.

You do have a mirror pre-release it is the lever under the wind knob - check it - you may find it useful.

RB

Now, I really feel stupid. I have this camera for 15 years and never used nor missed it!
 

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Hate to argue but you are WRONG. if you twist the lever before you release the shutter it also holds the back curtains open until you twist it back when the exposure is open - try it if you don't believe me.
I'm afraid i'm not wrong. (Don't try to teach an old man to suck eggs )

Well... you could first set the lever, then push the release, then insert a cable relea... uhmm... too late.

I think i didn't make it as clear as it should be.
The lever locks the shutter release button. The actual button. Nothing else.
Use it when you release by pressing the button with your finger, and the lever will keep the button depressed (and thus the rear shutter open) until you reset it.

But use a cable release, and the tip of that will not move the shutter release button, but push the rod inside the camera the button too would push if it were used.
Let go of the cable release, and you'll hear the baffle doors slam shut, since there was only the pressure applied by the cable release to keep them open.
The locking lever then does absolutely nothing at all. It only locks the actual - then not used - shutter release button.

Since you must use a cable release for long exposures (unless you don't mind shaking the camera during the exposure), the locking lever had no real use. It will not be missed.
 
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One thing to be aware of is that if you are using the self timer it will not work with the cable release.

I am in Adelaide fairly often (was even there yesterday), so I can help you as I also use a 500 C/M.
 
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