Opinions on Bergger Warmtone VC?

[mrlowlight]

Did the emulsion really change that much when Ilford took over?

Bill

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

As I still have some stock of the old stuff, I haven't ventured to try it yet, but I am very afraid it will not be the same. I've heard stories that it too much resembles MG V, which is, in my estimation, much too cool and too contrasty.

 

[c6h6o3]

I'd like to compare your old Bergger, Scott, with the Ilford MG Warmtone I just bought. I watched Bob Carnie make some beautiful prints with it weekend before last.

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

Jim- any time you want to come by and put a few sheets through some soup, just let me know. And if you'd like to play with an F-stop timer on the enlarger, I can oblige that as well. Any size neg smaller than 4x5 I can accommodate.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

I posted a similar thread on this topic a few days ago but this one seems to have caught on. Has anyone made comparisons of the Bergger 'NB' paper?

Tom.

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

I never used the NB paper - I liked the flexibility I got with the CB warmtone paper better.

 

[jeroldharter]

I did a darkroom workshop with Per Volquartz recently (it was excellent).

He uses Bergger Warm Tone FB VC paper which is my first experience with it. Very nice paper with chocolate blacks but not so yellow-orange warm like Ilford Warm Tone. It dries pretty flat. Very nice paper but expensive. Have not seen the cold tone version.

Does Ilford make Bergger paper?

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

Ilford now makes it - previously it was made by Forte for Bergger. Thus the concern.

 

[mrlowlight]

I'm specifically interested in how it takes to toning. The old emulsion was so sensitive to development and toning.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

I did a darkroom workshop with Per Volquartz recently (it was excellent).

He uses Bergger Warm Tone FB VC paper which is my first experience with it. Very nice paper with chocolate blacks but not so yellow-orange warm like Ilford Warm Tone. It dries pretty flat. Very nice paper but expensive. Have not seen the cold tone version.

Does Ilford make Bergger paper?

So the Bergger warmtone paper is appreciably different to MGWT?

Tom.

 

[c6h6o3]

So the Bergger warmtone paper is appreciably different to MGWT?

Tom.

My plan: pick up some Bergger warmtone on my way over to Scott's with my package of Ilford MGWT and then we'll be able to compare all three. (Does Penn sell Bergger VCCB?)

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

I don't think Penn carries it anymore. The only paper they list on their website is Ilford.

 

[Richard Jepsen]

I test drove a 8x10, 25 sheet package of Bergger FB WT. My base paper is Oriental WT. Bergger has a whiter base than Ilford or Oriental WT. The contrast is a tad less in the low zones vs Oriental, but expands the higher zones by a 1/2 step. Lightly toned (3 min) in KRST 1:10, the color cools to be more neutral than the somewhat yellowish color of Ilford WT. Tone more deeply and color shifts to red hues. There are two types of Oriental WT circulating. The Oriental referenced is the emulsion with the white base.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

Has anyone else tried the 'NB' paper?

Tom.