Opinions of CiM

St. Clair Beach Solitude

D
St. Clair Beach Solitude

  • 5
  • 2
  • 40
Reach for the sky

H
Reach for the sky

  • 3
  • 4
  • 71
Agawa Canyon

A
Agawa Canyon

  • 3
  • 2
  • 120
Frank Dean,  Blacksmith

A
Frank Dean, Blacksmith

  • 13
  • 8
  • 310

Recent Classifieds

Forum statistics

Threads
198,867
Messages
2,782,207
Members
99,734
Latest member
Elia
Recent bookmarks
0
Joined
Dec 30, 2005
Messages
7,175
Location
Milton, DE USA
Format
Analog
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9000/4.6.0.167 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102 UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

Hi all. I just read a post that strengthened my need to know something.

Hence I am asking for a critique on CiM. I need you readers to tear it apart. I want to know what you like. But pull no punches. I need to know what you Hate about CiM.

I receive no feedback other than 'My stuff looks great, Thanks.'

I want it improved. And an outside POV can make great strides to that goal.

Don't hold back. I'm asking for it.
 

cloudhands

Member
Joined
Oct 12, 2008
Messages
31
Format
35mm
Greetings.
I'm grateful that there are people (like you) who are trying to condense information about the more obscure side of photography. I have read the last couple issues of CiM, and while I liked what I saw, I felt like the magazine really didn't get into the "meat and potatoes" of the matter. I am really just a beginner photog, I feel like I would be the ideal target audience for your magazine. Maybe I am mistaken and that is not actually your intended audience. I think this may be a problem - what is your audience? Are you catering to an elite group of people who've been there, done that?

Your most recent issue has a "beginners series - choosing your gear" which I believe is information that can be found really anywhere on the net (dozens of threads on apug as an example). Then there's an article on cyanotype. Interesting, but there's no actual information on how to print a cyanotype. It's a comparison of different papers and chemicals. I guess that could be useful for someone who's already doing it. I would really like information on how to create an enlarged negative for alternative processing without the use of a scanner/etc. What sheet film to use, how to figure out the exposure, etc. I cannot find this information anywhere. This info would've worked well with this cyanotype article.

Then there's an article about push processing. I hesitate to say that article was "content-free," but it felt like it. The plate pouring article by P.E. was very well written and thorough, as his posts on apug always are.

Sorry this response is a little rambling (had a couple drinks!). In short, I think you need to find your focus. Either assume your reader knows nothing or a lot. You need to find your niche, your target audience, and speak to them.

Peace!
 

Kevin Caulfield

Subscriber
Joined
Aug 3, 2004
Messages
3,845
Location
Melb, Australia
Format
Multi Format
I've had a quick look at some of the articles, and I agree with cloudhands that you probably need a bit more detail on some techniques, but I also think that it's fine to keep some articles simple for beginners. You can probably achieve a balance so that you interest specialists and beginners alike.
 

jasonhall

Member
Joined
Dec 10, 2008
Messages
175
Format
Medium Format
First, let me start by saying how awesome it is to have this resource at hand and I am thankful to you and all the staff for the time and energy put into it. I do agree the article on pushing film was weak. The article on Cyanotype seemed to me to be exactly what it was intended to be. A report on test done with various material. Not a how to. If I recall that was stated in the beginning of the article.

The one on coating your own plates just seemed to serve as a primer to get folks interest in the idea. I don't see how you could fit a complete how to on the subject with a magazine format. It did leave the total novice with a lot of holes in the complete process. I understand completely the article not being able to give all the details, but could have continued with a simple over view of the entire process of creating an image and not just coating the plate. I understood it but not because of first hand experience, but because I have researched it on other sites and Youtube videos. So I had already seen the coating process. Just some thoughts.

I felt the Zone System article was rather good and I got a lot out of it. I already knew the basics of the zone system but have not really used it in practice. I do think that anyone with an understanding of exposure and the relationship between aperture and shutter, would be able to apply the principle laid out in the article.

One last comment. this is only an issue because it is in PDF format and so I am viewing it on a 20" widescreen. In Adobe, to fill the screen it is enlarged to 150%+. So many of the graphics are pixilated. It not really a fair grip and I know to add the extra resolution would create much larger files. I of course can zoom out to 100% but then the text is a bit small for the that distance. If it were printed (I am to stingy with my paper and ink) and at arms length, it would not be an issue.

Hope this helps.

Jason
 

lns

Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2006
Messages
431
Location
Illinois
Format
Multi Format
I don't hate anything about it, so perhaps my feedback isn't what you want, but I'll give it a go.

I really like David Vickers's articles and some of the other general articles. Some of the how-to articles are interesting and some seem, well, too basic (like the camera strap one). But in general I would prefer more detail or length in the how-to articles. Or at least some references at the end to sources of more detailed information (websites or books). For example, the fill-flash article was a good topic, but I thought it was covered a bit too briefly to be of much help to most people. If other articles were meant to be follow-ups, perhaps that could be better laid out on the table of contents.

I'm not the target market for the equipment articles, but they seem just too hit-or-miss to me. For example, I'm sure if I were interested in a Mamiya M645j, your exhaustive study would be just the ticket. But if I'm looking for a medium format camera and wondering what my options are, there's nothing for me here. Let me emphasize: this isn't a criticism. What you give us, for free, is what you give us, and I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. I'm just saying, I would think more general articles on, say, options for medium format, with explanations of the pluses and minuses of all systems, would be more useful or interesting for most readers. At least as a jumping off point. For example, there's a brief meditation on someone's journey to using 8x10 cameras. That might be a good companion to a more general article on large format photography. Formats available, pluses and minuses, equipment you need, how to get started, and a bibliography of images/photographers and suggestions for more detailed reading. If you have the basics, then you can add the more esoteric or personal features and be more appealing to more readers.

I like the idea of showing portfolios. But again I find the ones I have clicked on to be too brief. I would rather see more images and fewer words in the portfolio section. Just my opinion. Or maybe just rename it "The Story Behind the Image" or something. That would actually do it for me. Labelled as a "portfolio" I expect lots of pictures. Presented as a story behind the image, one or two images and some brief text is perfect.

Finally, a few unrelated comments to throw at the wall. First, I wonder if the requirement to register and remember your password might limit a quest for more readership. Also, I think if you put up articles more frequently, people would get in the habit of stopping by more often. You'd have more mindshare.

I think the magazine is a great idea, and I'm behind it. I was very impressed with David for starting it, and remain so. I guess the question I would ask you is, what are you trying to be? Are you trying to be a general resource? Are you trying to create a how-to magazine about film? In either case, I think you would need to exercise a bit more editorial control, in thinking of general topics, assigning them and pushing the authors for more detail and length. That takes a lot more effort and time, and you guys are just volunteers, so it might be too much to bite off. (Also, having been an editor, I know it's not so easy.) If you do it well, of course, you can create something special. Or, on the other hand, are you trying to provide an outlet for people to publish articles on whatever interests them in film photography? If you are, I think that's fine and wonderful, I just don't think that will create a broad appeal amongst a general readership. And I personally think you should be satisfied either way. I think it's great to create something like this. If other people don't like it, let them start their own magazine. :smile:

Bottom line, I think it starts with you all deciding what you want to be, and what you think you realistically can be, given the constraints. And then focusing your product to provide that.

Great job so far, though, and my thanks to you and David.

-Laura
 
OP
OP
Christopher Walrath
Joined
Dec 30, 2005
Messages
7,175
Location
Milton, DE USA
Format
Analog
(Not wirelessly posted by a Blackberry because this would have taken forever)


See, this is what I have SO wanted to hear and I am getting some fantastic feedback.

I am not hurt at all by any remarks so DO NOT feel the need to apologize by any means. I'm going to work my way backwards here.

I have always envisioned CiM being a hybrid between technical journal and general photographic resource. I will give my two personal goals. A cross between Ansel Adams' "The Negative" and the UK's Black and White Photography. I want a somewhat broad appeal that everyone will be able to get something from each issue. I do not begin to think along the naive lines of satisfy all of the people all of the time. Some of my favorite publications I occasionally galze over and put it down because I see nothing that gets my attention. So that affect will be experienced by some in CiM. However, I hope so only on a sporadic basis.

So, I want primarily to be a technical journal. Light on the imagery, heavier on the information.

I have had a couple of light articles over the past months. I actually had one lined up for this month and I have axed it as I agree with this completely. I want to strengthen the material in the magazine. I want good hard writing. For the more in depth stuff such as the cyanotype test and the plate pouring I could perhaps run an overview/tag-along article to accompany something of that stature. I only mention the push processing article because it was brought up above. That is my fault. I should have had it rewritten to fit the vision of the magazine. Don't blame the writer, blame the editor. If I receive an article that is a little light on the technical side and more on the author's side I should have it revised to match the vision of the magazine or graciously move on.

So i want to be a technical journal with less focus on imagery and more focus on information.

As to some mentioned website articles, those mentioned were written during a dry submission spell last summer just to keep something new on the website. The were life preservers, as it were. And they served their purpose as they got CiM through its rocky first year and into its second wind. Perhaps in the future photographer's gear reviews could be relagated to the website and leave room for the focus of the magazine in the magazine.
As to format, I was toying with the idea of enlarging the text slightly. It is Arial in 12 font. I was thinking of seeing what 14 or 16 would look like. As to pixelation, the .pdf's are viewed on my laptop at 100% and I seldom view or account for more enlargement in viewing. This is perhaps a consideration I should take into account in the future.

The Beginner's Series is long overdue and I think once the brief overview I have planned (four articles) has run it's course I will try to keep up a beginner's corner on some aspect of photography that is not too far out there and that most can readily put to use. As to the higher content I intend to continue to put that out there as a reference and an inspiration to one and all. Some may get it. Some may not but be inspired by a possible direction they want to take their photography, with some it will fall by the wayside.

So, I want to be a technical journal with more focus on the technical with broad appeal and a more friendly format where applicable.

This is by no means the end of the critique. I would very much like people's input, even if repetitive. I NEED IT if I am going to be able to weed through and find the direction of this publication. I may implement some suggestions, I may not others. But you guys are my readers and I very much value your input. You have no idea how much I appreciate even these few responses thus far.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Photrio.com contains affiliate links to products. We may receive a commission for purchases made through these links.
To read our full affiliate disclosure statement please click Here.

PHOTRIO PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Ilford ADOX Freestyle Photographic Stearman Press Weldon Color Lab Blue Moon Camera & Machine
Top Bottom