oops! I guess I just bought another lens...

[Seele]

Interesting analysis Seele. I hope this is one of the good ones. If it, in fact, turns out to have element "droop"...is there a remedy?

BradS,

If the elements did slip, it means that the cement used was of the standard canada balsam which is reversible. The glue joints have to be broken, the elements cleaned, and then recemented, perhaps using a non-reversible cement, with the help of centering equipment, and that is definitely not a home remedy. I do not know who can offer this service in your area if it's needed , but there are two firms in Australia who can do that.

 

[BradS]

Update...

Well, the little angulon was waiting for me tonight when I got home from work. Despite remarkably inadequate packaging, it seems to have survived - maybe. It was literally wrapped in a sheet of newspaper and rattleing around in one of the small (about the size of a hard cover novel) priority mail boxes!

Anyway, the shutter is non functional...but the glass and lens board appear to be servicable. I have a 135mm xenar in a Syncho Compur-P shutter and just for kicks, I thought I'd see if the little Angulon cells would fit in the shutter that the Xenar came in...sure enough they do! As I was screwing the Xenar cells into the broken shutter (to protect the glass), I noticed that the aperature scales looked about the same size and shape...two screws...worth a try I thought. Sure enough! Here's a photo of it for your viewing pleasure.

 

[jjstafford]

Cool, Brad. What's the coverage of the Angulon?

 

[Ole]

A post-WWII 90/6.8 Angulon covers 9x12cm at f:16, and 4x5" at f:32.
The pre-WWII Angulons may be stretched to 5x7".

 

[Jeremy]

A post-WWII 90/6.8 Angulon covers 9x12cm at f:16, and 4x5" at f:32.
The pre-WWII Angulons may be stretched to 5x7".

How do we tell the difference? Serial no?

 

[Ole]

If it's coated, it's post-WWII.

The pre-WWII lenses have a stronger curve to the front element, but you won't see that unless you can compare one of each directly.

So the serial number is the easiest way to be sure with an uncoated lens.

 

[BradS]

The serial Number on this one is: 2,152,611 and it does appear to be coated. According to Schneider's Age of Lenses page, that puts it's date of manufacture between Sept. 1948 and July 1949....I guess the coverage is "barely adequate". Actually, I see that Schneider's Angulon Data indicate that coverage is only 154mm...

 

[Ole]

Exactly - and that is why one of the LF communities on the net is called f32.net: It's the largest aperture where a 90mm f:6.8 Schneider Angulon will cover 4x5".

The Angulons were made for "metric" sizes, and 9x12cm is quite a bit smaller than 4x5". But the 120mm f:6.8 is quite adequate for 5x7", since 13x18cm is a little bit bigger. Then the 165mm is tight again, and the 210mm doesn't even cover 11x14", since it was made for 24x30cm (the Lost Format).

Of course there are modern wide-angle lenses with more coverage, and older as well. But the 90/6.8 is such a nice little lightweight lens that the 90/8 Super-Angulon doesn't really compete!

 

[Seele]

Of course there are modern wide-angle lenses with more coverage, and older as well. But the 90/6.8 is such a nice little lightweight lens that the 90/8 Super-Angulon doesn't really compete!

Ole, you can say that again! I do like these small lightweights, and at one time I had three of this focal length: Wide-Angle Dagor which is like 92mm, the Angulon 90 of course and a Wide-Angle Wray which was 89mm: I suppose just to be different on the manufacturer's part!

The Wray was great, consider it as a British-made W.A. Geronar 90 with a larger maximum aperture, but without modern coating the contrast was a touch on the low side, and for that reason only I sold it. Come to think of it, neither the Dagor or the Angulon had the same sharpness and field flatness of that Wray, but then it was a bit of an overkill to have 89, 90 and 92 all at once... not counting the "moderns".

 

[Ole]

"Overkill"? What's that?

I've only got two WA 90mm's, but with the 121 SA, 121 Leitmeyr WA, 13cm Busch, 135 Planar, Eurynar and Skopar, 150 Heliar, APO-Lanthar, G-Claron and 6" Serrac I'm well covered in the short-to longish normal range for 4x5". And then there's the 165 Angulon, 180 Xenar, 210 Xenar, 210 Eurystigmar, 8" Primus, 8 ¼" Raptar, 240 Symmar, and so on - and some old Aplanat and Rapid Rectilinears I only have approximate focal lengths for, and all the way up to a 480mm Apo-Ronar and a 500mm Schneider Aerotar...

No, there's no such thing as "overkill". Now if I could only find a camera which can take that Aerotar without groaning - or maybe I should mount the camera on the lens instead?

 

[Dan Fromm]

"Overkill"? What's that?

<snip>

No, there's no such thing as "overkill". Now if I could only find a camera which can take that Aerotar without groaning - or maybe I should mount the camera on the lens instead?

Hmm. What you need to hang one of your cameras on is a 400/1.5 fixed aperture Zeiss. One of my neighbors has one, if you're interested I'd be happy to introduce you. It weighs 35 kg, is not as portable as he would like.

 

[BradS]

"Overkill"? What's that?

I've only got two WA 90mm's, but with the 121 SA, 121 Leitmeyr WA, 13cm Busch, 135 Planar, Eurynar and Skopar, 150 Heliar, APO-Lanthar, G-Claron and 6" Serrac I'm well covered in the short-to longish normal range for 4x5". And then there's the 165 Angulon, 180 Xenar, 210 Xenar, 210 Eurystigmar, 8" Primus, 8 ¼" Raptar, 240 Symmar, and so on - and some old Aplanat and Rapid Rectilinears I only have approximate focal lengths for, and all the way up to a 480mm Apo-Ronar and a 500mm Schneider Aerotar...

Ole...I suspect you're leaving out all of the "orphans" on the other shelf...no? Really, I think you and Jim Galli need to get together someday....I'll bring the wine, you guys bring the lenses.

 

[Jeremy]

The serial Number on this one is: 2,152,611 and it does appear to be coated. According to Schneider's Age of Lenses page, that puts it's date of manufacture between Sept. 1948 and July 1949....I guess the coverage is "barely adequate". Actually, I see that Schneider's Angulon Data indicate that coverage is only 154mm...

Since the serial number on mine is 1,555,568 it was made between November 1938 and September 1939. Woohoo, I won the Angulon lottery! Since I don't need this coverage, anyone want to trade their smaller coverage Angulon and some $$$ for it? Just curious.

 

[Ole]

Ole...I suspect you're leaving out all of the "orphans" on the other shelf...no? Really, I think you and Jim Galli need to get together someday....I'll bring the wine, you guys bring the lenses.

I'm bringing the lenses to our gathering in Loen - come on over (and please bring some wine)!

 

[BradS]

I'm bringing the lenses to our gathering in Loen - come on over (and please bring some wine)!

Loen...Norway? I think I have ancestors that came from Norway. Would absolutely LOVE to visit but, can't make it this year. I'm still recovering from the trip to Ireland in March. Someday....

 

[dikwag]

Solenoid cord.

Send me a pic of the solenoid and I will search my drawer of camera cords from the 50's and 60's. I have some speed graphic cords that should fit.