Older Emulsions still available?

marylandphoto · Jan 18, 2010

Hello, all.

I was just wondering, what is the oldest color film still on the market that hasn't been updated in awhile? For instance, Kodak Gold has been around awhile, but gets updated every now and then. Which color film hasn't changed in the longest time? Thank you.

PHOTOTONE · Jan 18, 2010

Probably Ektachrome EPP, but that is just recently discontinued. I have been using it since it first came out in the early 1980's or even earlier. You can still find this on store shelves in date.

perkeleellinen · Jan 18, 2010

I think it could be Ektachrome 64 (EPR), now only available on the Japanese market:

http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=214

This quote is from photo.net:

EPR is the oldest E6 film, both historically, and the oldest one in current production. It has been unchanged since 1976. It is the only true vintage product besides Kodachrome, in fact it is older than current Kodachrome

marylandphoto · Jan 18, 2010

Probably Ektachrome EPP, but that is just recently discontinued. I have been using it since it first came out in the early 1980's or even earlier. You can still find this on store shelves in date.

Is this similar to Elite Chrome 100 Extra Color?

I think it could be Ektachrome 64 (EPR)

Can this be acquired in the states?

Thanks! I'm running low on my frozen stock of older films.

perkeleellinen · Jan 19, 2010

I think EPR can only be got in Japan. The link above is to a very reliable store that I can recommend.

railwayman3 · Jan 19, 2010

perkeleellinen said:
I think EPR can only be got in Japan. The link above is to a very reliable store that I can recommend.

Thanks for that link...some unusual films. I'm UK also, and may give it a try.

(Interesting to find that Kodak can make old and obscure films like EPR for just one country, while discontinuing other films (K64 etc) on the grounds of insufficient sales? :confused: )

AgX · Jan 19, 2010

Ilford Micrographic

marylandphoto · Jan 19, 2010

I saw the link, just doesn't seem to be available in 35mm...any places in Japan which would have this? :-\

(Interesting to find that Kodak can make old and obscure films like EPR for just one country, while discontinuing other films (K64 etc) on the grounds of insufficient sales? )

Isn't it?

perkeleellinen · Jan 19, 2010

You could buy it in 100' roll from the UK:

http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/item/155-700W/

Admbws · Jan 19, 2010

I was of the impression that EPR was discontinued in most markets because it was crap, and an embarrassment in the eyes of Kodak, rather than due to insufficient sales. It makes perfect sense to concentrate the sales in the better-in-every-way 100G instead.

Ektagraphic · Jan 19, 2010

perkeleellinen said:
I think it could be Ektachrome 64 (EPR), now only available on the Japanese market:

http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=214

This quote is from photo.net:

WOW! I think I have to order some! That's awesome! Thanks for sharing

Ektagraphic · Jan 19, 2010

Is there any site in Japan selling only a couple of rolls at a time instead of 10?

perkeleellinen · Jan 19, 2010

I think if you sent an email to Dirk an Japan Exposures, he may be able to help you. I've always found him very pleasant to deal with:
dirk@japanexposures.com

Ektagraphic · Jan 19, 2010

Thanks.

Ian Grant · Jan 19, 2010

Isn't K64 the oldest unchanged emulsion ?

Ian

Ektagraphic · Jan 19, 2010

I believe so. I think though the oldest emulsion sill manufactured would have to be Plus-X or Tri-X, but those have been changed.

Ian Grant · Jan 19, 2010

If you move the question to B&W it's probably Pan F, which pre-dates Plus-X & Tri-X although all have changed.

Ian

railwayman3 · Jan 19, 2010

Admbws said:
I was of the impression that EPR was discontinued in most markets because it was crap, and an embarrassment in the eyes of Kodak, rather than due to insufficient sales. It makes perfect sense to concentrate the sales in the better-in-every-way 100G instead.

So why still make it at all, especially in two lesser-used sizes, i.e. 120 and bulk, just for one country?

I can understand why the same film would need different packing and promotions for sale in different countries/markets...that wouldn't be too costly...but, given the size and cost of master rolls, it still seems odd to make a single distinct emulsion for what would apparently be very small sales.

(I used to like EPR in the late 1990's...don't remember it as being that awful, more like a predecessor of EPP?)

Ektagraphic · Jan 19, 2010

Maybe Kodak had just made a coating before the announcement and it sold best in Japan so they sold the 120 there......

marylandphoto · Jan 19, 2010

Hi, all. I spoke with Dirk at japanexposures.com, and he said that EPP is still available there. He recently put some on the website. As for EPR, he said he only seems to be able to get it in 120.

railwayman3 · Jan 20, 2010

Ektagraphic said:
Maybe Kodak had just made a coating before the announcement and it sold best in Japan so they sold the 120 there......

Good point, Ektagraphic, I hadn't thought of that. I read that this situation with K64 was similar, with the last master roll probably coated in 2007 but only recently "sold out".

(I've just bought some 35mm EPP from "films-festival" in Thailand, who sell on Ebay...fresh film delivered to UK in 5 days. No issues with X-rays, etc., on this or previous orders. They have a good selection, some less common films, worth a look.)

perkeleellinen · Jan 20, 2010

There are a few interesting films on Japan Exposures also such as Fujichrome Trebi, Fuicolor Industrial and Fujicolor Newpro 400.

Ektagraphic · Jan 20, 2010

I emailed and they said only by the 10 pack....I think I'll still buy one though.

Q.G. · Jan 20, 2010

Wow! That (EPR) used to be my favourite slide film a long time ago!
Liked it much better than Kodachrome 64.

Why don't you buy the pack and see if some fellow-APUGgers would like to get a roll or two also?

Tom Kershaw · Jan 20, 2010

Ian Grant said:
If you move the question to B&W it's probably Pan F, which pre-dates Plus-X & Tri-X although all have changed.

Ian

Ian,

Do you use Pan F Plus? I was under the impression you are more a user of T-Max and the Delta films.

Tom

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