Okay to Shoot Leader with Canon F-1N?

[FilmOnly]

I have used the Canon F-1N for a while now, but have never tried shooting the film leader with it. Is this okay, or does the camera use a default shutter speed setting (or something else?) for the film leader? I have checked the instruction book, and it does not indicate anything specific in regard to the leader.

 

[Christopher Walrath]

Posted wirelessly..

I'm not familiar w/ the F-1N. If it's auto wind, it will pass the leader.

 

[Laurent]

I'm not used to the F1-N, but, unless the winding to first frame was automatic (that is, you don't need to fire the shutter several times to go to frame #1), it should let you what you like.

At least this is how it works on my AE1-P.

 

[Sim2]

Hi there,

Going from memory here, back when I used F1n's daily, Ithink that it was up to the user when the first frame was actually exposed onto the film.

The leader is attached to the take-up spool, shutter fired film wound, shutter fired film wound until it was obvious the film wasn't slipping - back closed - repeat fire/wind until it was felt the film at the shutter was now the unexposed film from the canister. Not a good explanation but I vaguely remember having a procedure of two shots with the back open (to ensure correct take-up) and three shoits once the back was closed - then we assumed the film had *officially* started. When in a hurry this was done in a contiuous movement as a blast on the motor drive. In reality this was a failsafe as we were well into the unexposed film.

Shutter speeds were whatever was set by on the camera or by the auto exposure - there was no over-ride.

Great cameras though.

Sim2

 

[elekm]

I think it's been standard procedure with all full-frame 35mm cameras to fire off two blanks upon loading fresh film. Half-frame and 24x24 users had to make a slight change.

But the film leader already has been exposed to light.

Actually, I don't fully understand your question.

 

[lxdude]

Load the camera, close the back, wind and release until the counter shows the number "1".

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

The camera is entirely manual in this regard, but what is it you're trying to do? Unless you bulk load your film in the dark, keep it in the dark, and load the camera in the dark, the leader will be exposed to light when you load the camera, so you can't make any photographs with it.

 

[Tony-S]

You should be able to get 25 and 37 exposures for 24- and 36-exposure rolls, if that's what you're asking. One more from each if you load in the dark.

 

[FilmOnly]

I understand that the film is exposed to light as long as the door is open. I am trying to get an extra shot or two once the door is closed. I have to take two or three blank shots to get to the "1," and so as long as the film seems to be advancing correctly, I thought I would begin shooting on the dot that comes before the "1."

 

[Yeeski]

If I understand your question correctly, the F-1N does not have an automatic film loading mode. When loading film, the blank exposures you make when advancing to the first frame will be "exposed" based on the camera's settings. If the F-1N is in aperture preferred AE mode with the lens cap on, it will select a long shutter speed. If it's in manual or shutter priority AE mode, the shutter speed will be the speed you've select. Of course, this assumes that you have a good battery installed.

 

[Yeeski]

With the the QL system on my FTb, I was able to consistently get 38 exposures on a 36 exposure roll of film. Occasionally, I could get 39 or even 40, but the first frame would usually be a partial one. On the F-1N, you should be able to get one extra complete frame if you're careful, but probably not two.

 

[PhotoJim]

It is possible to get a good frame on frame zero, but it takes some care. I don't usually bother trying anymore, because it's not 100% certain that there won't be fogging unless you load in very dim light. I certainly do shoot until the roll ends (although that's dangerous with some E6 labs; you might lose your last frame).

 

[Rick A]

If your camera does not fire off the first two or three shots automatically when you load, then YES it is possible to get bonus shots on the leader. You must be careful when loading not to have any extra film pulled when loading, keeping the film taut , and barely inserting the leader into the take-up. Bear in mind, this is no guarantee the bonus shots wont be fogged slightly.

Rick

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

One thing to think about is that extra shots won't fit on an 8x10" contact sheet. You might be better off shooting 35 on a 36 exp. roll to get seven nice strips of five than to shoot extra shots, unless you're shooting slide film.