oilprint - anyone?

gandolfi · Jul 26, 2005

my girlfriend and I just started trying the oilprint process...

for some reason it seems that my twin brother might be the only on in the world that does this now...
that can't be true..

anyone in here?

mind you: I am talking about the original oilprinting - not the bromoil which everybody seems to be doing...

Jorge · Jul 26, 2005

gandolfi said:
my girlfriend and I just started trying the oilprint process...

for some reason it seems that my twin brother might be the only on in the world that does this now...
that can't be true..

anyone in here?

mind you: I am talking about the original oilprinting - not the bromoil which everybody seems to be doing...

I believe David Spencer does it as well, as least this is what I was told about his prints when I went to look at them. How do you do this oil prints? The ones I saw from Spencer were beautiful!

garryl · Jul 26, 2005

gandolfi said:
my girlfriend and I just started trying the oilprint process...

for some reason it seems that my twin brother might be the only on in the world that does this now...
that can't be true..

anyone in here?

mind you: I am talking about the original oilprinting - not the bromoil which everybody seems to be doing...

Are you talking about Rawling's oils??

gandolfi · Jul 26, 2005

garryl said:
Are you talking about Rawling's oils??

now - I have NO idea who Rawling is - or his oils for that matter....

the way to do it in a few words:

take some fine graphic paper. apply 3-5 layers of gelatine on it - avoid bubbles and brush strokes...
when dry, apply a 3% potassium chromate on the paper - "work it in"...

then - when dry - place a LF negative on the paper - expose in sun light and put the paper in cold water and wash.
dry the paper - and then let it soak in max 20degrees C water for about 20 min.

then apply and remove oil paint (made stiff) until the "master piece" hopefully will appear.. (this part is the one that can take 25 years to learn.....)

dry and drink some whisky! - you've earned it..

I'll attach an oilprint I did some years ago...

Jorge · Jul 26, 2005

Ah well, then this is significantly different from what I saw. First off I made a mistake, the name is Jack Spencer, if you want to check some great photography, then take a gander here.

http://www.andrewsmithgallery.com/exhibitions/jackspencer/index.htm

You have to see these things in person to appreciate them.

Peter Rockstroh · Jul 26, 2005

Where does the name oil print come from ? It seems you are sensitizing gelatin (plus something else) with potassium chromate and making the U.V. exposed areas (through the negative) insoluble in water, while washing the unexposed parts out. I assume you do a color separation and apply 4 coats ?
I´ve worked with silk-screen emulsions (PVA based) which work in a similar manner. Did I understand you correctly ?

gandolfi · Jul 26, 2005

thanks for the link - not oil printing by far, but beautiful nevertheless...

here is a link to one of the all time masters - unfortunately, he took all his secrets with him when he died...

http://photophilia.net/pictorial/andreev/index.html

garryl · Jul 26, 2005

Bromoil evolved from the oil-printing process developed by G.E.H. Rawlings in 1904, which is a pigment-based process using paper with a dichromated gelatin matrix requiring a negative the same size as the desired print size. In 1907, responding to the problems of using contact-sized negatives, E.J. Wall wrote a brief article suggesting the use of a bromide enlargement as the basis for the oil print.

gandolfi · Jul 26, 2005

Peter Rockstroh said:
Where does the name oil print come from ? It seems you are sensitizing gelatin (plus something else) with potassium chromate and making the U.V. exposed areas (through the negative) insoluble in water, while washing the unexposed parts out. I assume you do a color separation and apply 4 coats ?
I´ve worked with silk-screen emulsions (PVA based) which work in a similar manner. Did I understand you correctly ?

not quite.
sentizising only using the potassium dichromate.
no colour separation - B/W neg and the colour(s) is mixed before applying...

gandolfi · Jul 26, 2005

garryl said:
Bromoil evolved from the oil-printing process developed by G.E.H. Rawlings in 1904, which is a pigment-based process using paper with a dichromated gelatin matrix requiring a negative the same size as the desired print size. In 1907, responding to the problems of using contact-sized negatives, E.J. Wall wrote a brief article suggesting the use of a bromide enlargement as the basis for the oil print.

Garry

thanks for that!
in that case, it is the first mentioned....

I have knowlegde of so many doing the bromoil, but for some (strange) reason it seems that oil print is not so interesting..
I wonder why, as in many ways te oil printing is easier than the brom oil.
and a lot of people have LF cameras..
(and you can use digitally made transparents using PS also..)

"new" ground to try?

Whiteymorange · Jul 26, 2005

The Unblinking Eye site has a lot about pigment printing as well as Bromoil. I was looking for a workshop in the northeast US for these techniques earlier this year - no luck.
David Lewis gave one last week at Photographers' Formulary out in Montana but my budget suffered a nervous breakdown as soon as I mentioned going.

Next year...maybe?

I'm interested in using the original print as a master for transfer printing as well. I've even got a press! I just can't seem to make the process work without the experience of going through it with someone who actually knows what he/she is doing.

Fulvio · Jul 27, 2005

gandolfi said:
my girlfriend and I just started trying the oilprint process...

for some reason it seems that my twin brother might be the only on in the world that does this now...
that can't be true..

anyone in here?

mind you: I am talking about the original oilprinting - not the bromoil which everybody seems to be doing...

Hi Emil, nice to see you on APUG
I wrote you a couple of months ago, but you didn't answer...

if you're interested I can send you some recipe and instructions I have in my books (rawlins oil print and many other processes) - write me an email and I will send some scan

I'm experimenting with cyanotypes right now; I want to try one process at the time. But I will soon start printing in rawlins oil too. As for the "oleoprint" process there's this specific guide on Alt.Photo.com http://www.alternativephotography.com/process_oilprint.html
but you should already know that

Fulvio

gandolfi · Jul 27, 2005

Fulvio said:
Hi Emil, nice to see you on APUG
I wrote you a couple of months ago, but you didn't answer...

if you're interested I can send you some recipe and instructions I have in my books (rawlins oil print and many other processes) - write me an email and I will send some scan

I'm experimenting with cyanotypes right now; I want to try one process at the time. But I will soon start printing in rawlins oil too. As for the "oleoprint" process there's this specific guide on Alt.Photo.com http://www.alternativephotography.com/process_oilprint.html
but you should already know that

Fulvio

hi fulvio
yes - I know, as it is my twin brother that made that....
I was just wondering whether others do it these days..
seems not.
aah well - then we can be the only ones in the world, and that is fun too....;-)

argus · Jul 27, 2005

Is it alike some of the the works of Philippe Berger?

G

gandolfi · Jul 27, 2005

Whiteymorange said:
The Unblinking Eye site has a lot about pigment printing as well as Bromoil. I was looking for a workshop in the northeast US for these techniques earlier this year - no luck.
David Lewis gave one last week at Photographers' Formulary out in Montana but my budget suffered a nervous breakdown as soon as I mentioned going.

Next year...maybe?

I'm interested in using the original print as a master for transfer printing as well. I've even got a press! I just can't seem to make the process work without the experience of going through it with someone who actually knows what he/she is doing.

Whitymorange
thanks for that link - interesting, and it seems that we are not the only ones doing this..
beautiful images too..
thanks again..

(I'm sure, if you came to Denmark, my brother would be glad to give you tutoring in this technique..)

gandolfi · Jul 27, 2005

argus said:
Is it alike some of the the works of Philippe Berger?

G

look like it - interesting, as he mails me with news, from time to time..
have to read my mails more carefully

Whiteymorange · Jul 27, 2005

gandolfi said:
Whitymorange
thanks for that link - interesting, and it seems that we are not the only ones doing this..
beautiful images too..
thanks again..

(I'm sure, if you came to Denmark, my brother would be glad to give you tutoring in this technique..)

Ah, Denmark... By next year I may be ready. If I make it that far I'll at least stop by for a look at your work! Who knows?

Fulvio · Jul 27, 2005

gandolfi said:
hi fulvio
yes - I know, as it is my twin brother that made that....
I was just wondering whether others do it these days..
seems not.
aah well - then we can be the only ones in the world, and that is fun too....;-)

whoops! didn't notice it was your brother, sorry

gandolfi · Jul 29, 2005

FULVIO

eric Kellerman is coming here on monday and stays for some days...

where are you?

garryl · Jul 29, 2005

Do you have a copy of "Photographic facts and Formulas" By Wall and Jordan(1940 edition)? It has a lot of infomation (formulas and techniques) for pigment processes(Oil,Bromoil, and Transfer)on pg.s 214-224. There are several inexpensive copies on ABE books(http://www.abebooks.com/).

gandolfi · Jul 29, 2005

thanks gerry
I'll take a look

Fulvio · Aug 1, 2005

gandolfi said:
FULVIO

eric Kellerman is coming here on monday and stays for some days...

where are you?

Still too far from your place. I'm very sorry I couldn't come. I sent you a PM right now.

ronlamarsh · Dec 11, 2011

gandolfi said:
hi fulvio
yes - I know, as it is my twin brother that made that....
I was just wondering whether others do it these days..
seems not.
aah well - then we can be the only ones in the world, and that is fun too....;-)

We are not ALONE!

gandolfi · Dec 12, 2011

ronlamarsh said:
We are not ALONE!

good to hear!

jon.oman · Dec 12, 2011

This process sounds interesting.

oilprint - anyone?

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