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I think I want to change the nozzle on my syringe for my next emulsion. I'm using a 100ml dosing syringe to deliver 50ml of silver nitrate solution over 5 minutes. I just measured the tip of the needle and the aperture is 1.5mm across so it isn't really a jet more of a drip drip as I add it (below the surface of course). I get slow, contrasty, and generally clean emulsions.

I'm considering just squeezing the tip of the needle with some pliers (possibly tapping with a hammer) to get more of a jet but it would be a fan shaped jet.

I haven't a clue as to what is good / bad other than that the jet is important. Any suggestions?
 

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Hi Roger,

Great question! I really don’t know the answer, but I’ll give you my thoughts based on my experience and what I’ve read in this forum.

It depends what level of sophistication you are trying to achieve. What emulsion are you making? Size, shape and placement of the nozzle will all affect the mixing, but in what way and to what effect, I can’t say. Usually, intimate mixing during precipitation makes for more reliable emulsions. This means you want a steady stream, injected directly at the mixing point. If you’re using a stirring hotplate, you’ll want the input jets to be as close to the stirring bar as possible (and close to each other if doing double jet).

For controlled emulsion making, it’s important for accurately know the flow of each jet, so the tip of the jet should be well defined and repeatable.

For uncontrolled emulsion making (no pAg measurement), restricting the diameter of the nozzle increases the backpressure, and makes it easier to deliver a more consistent flow. Depending on the emulsion and your steadiness in depressing the syringe, changing the nozzle shape and size might not make much of a difference to the emulsions characteristics. Squishing the tip with some pliers might help you to maintain a more consistent stream than a dripping one.

I’ve tried using metal luer lock needles, and even the ones that claim to be stainless corrode. I’ve given up on any metal injection tip. I found some teflon ones, but they leaked. I really hate those luer connections. They always leak! I don’t know why they ever came to be standard.

I was considering getting some glass tubes and pulling my own tips, but I couldn’t come up with a great method to attach the glass to the tubing coming out of my pump or syringe. Glass is nice because it is inert and can be easily cleaned. Also, the shape of the cross section stays extremely consistent when you pull it.

The next thing I’ve been meaning to try is some very narrow ID hard plastic (PEEK) tubing. This is used under high pressure for liquid chromatography, but it should have a well defined ID ranging from 30 thou (0.76 mm) all the way down to 5 thou (0.13 mm). This should be good for small batches. I’m not sure how I will cut it to avoid deforming the tip. I was thinking I would snip it and then sand down the tip to remove any material that was deformed by the snipping. I imagine you could check the shape and size of the bore under the microscope. The tube is 1/16” (1.6mm) OD, I was just thinking of sliding it inside some soft tubing with a 1 mm ID, and maybe looking for a tiny hose clamp if need be.

I know a former contributor to the forum, Kirk Keyes, used 28 gauge (0.32 mm) teflon tubing which seemed to work well for him.

Nice to see someone new posting this subforum; welcome!

Ian
 
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Thanks Ian,

I've flattened the tip of the needle and made the emulsion now. The plates are drying so I've not seen the results yet. It appears to have had the effect you said though. I found it easier to keep a steady pace whilst injecting the silver nitrate. (I'm making a simple bromo iodide emulsion). My stirring speed is judged by how big the dimple in the vortex is on the magnetic stirrer.

I have had thoughts about setting up an Arduino controlled stepper motor stirrer and peristaltic pump but my day job is programming and the whole historic processes thing is me getting away from wrestling with computers - so I must resist those thoughts and stay artisanal!

It is great that there is such a community to answer questions.
 

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If anyone here wants to post any photos I would love to see your setup
 
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"If anyone here wants to post any photos I would love to see your setup"

You never want to actually see how the sausages are made!

Here is my set up. I've jerry rigged a more precise temperature controller to an old magnetic stirrer/hot plate with a fan to cool when the temperature over shoots. I use a baby bottle warmer to warm the silver nitrate before injection. This is way more complex than needed. It could be done with just the hotplate stirrer or even just the baby bottle warmer if you want to stir continuously for half an hour. It could be done other ways e.g. you could use a sous vide water bath and an overhead stirrer. Or you could just buy some film ....

Cheap dosing syringe to inject silver nitrate whilst watching the clock.

PXL_20201208_103156440.jpg

Ultimately you'll only know for sure how to do it by doing it.
 

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"If anyone here wants to post any photos I would love to see your setup"

You never want to actually see how the sausages are made!

Here is my set up. I've jerry rigged a more precise temperature controller to an old magnetic stirrer/hot plate with a fan to cool when the temperature over shoots. I use a baby bottle warmer to warm the silver nitrate before injection. This is way more complex than needed. It could be done with just the hotplate stirrer or even just the baby bottle warmer if you want to stir continuously for half an hour. It could be done other ways e.g. you could use a sous vide water bath and an overhead stirrer. Or you could just buy some film ....

Cheap dosing syringe to inject silver nitrate whilst watching the clock.

View attachment 261159

Ultimately you'll only know for sure how to do it by doing it.
Thank you Roger...!!!
 

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Nice setup, Roger. Looks great.

Here's my precipitation setup with peristaltic pumps. Silver nitrate solution goes in the syringe duck-taped to the board and is pumped into the kettle. Extra pumps for when I get to run-salt emulsions.
pump_front.jpg

The electronics are mounted on the other side of the plywood:
pump_rear.jpg

And the topic of this thread: nozzles! From left to right:
-Large syringe
-A bunch of luer-lock connectors to adapt to various ID tubing and syringes.
-Cheap "stainless steel" needles that corroded
-Orange and purple teflon flexible needles
-Glass pasteur pipette
-PEEK small ID hard tubing (still haven't tested these yet)
nozzles.jpg

This is way more complex than needed.
Even more so for me. I am first an amateur scientist and only secondly a craftsperson/artist. There are lots of valid ways to enjoy emulsion making. To quote the great Photo Engineer "Do what makes you happy!"

I can definitely appreciate wanting to keep computers away from leisure time; that's a large part of the draw of analog photography for me as well.

Ian
 
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