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Noob: Wanting to start developing 120MF Film Need Links, Advice Please

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I haven't found that many beakers and stuff necessary. I only need one for the developer. Stop, fix, and final rinse go in directly from the bottle I store the working solution in, because a little more doesn't hurt with those, I just fill the tank up to the funnel (but you need to leave some air in the tank, otherwise there will be hardly any agitation of the liquid when you invert the tank). I'm not sure you'll need so many graduates. Syringes also work great for small amounts. Beakers from dollar store or supermarket are fine and usually have a handle which I'd prefer. I wouldn't buy 6 reels to start. Your list of chems sounds good.
 

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Hmm...just looked up what jobo was....looks really cool, but that kit new appears over $1600 for the machine....I think I'll start off a bit more manual and simpler.

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Jobo tanks are manual, they don't have to go in the machine. But they do cost a bit more than Paterson. I find them less cumbersome to rotate/tumble (I don't use the Paterson twist post method), and a bit more finicky to properly close after putting in the reels--you have to be careful or they are not light-tight. On the other hand, because I invert the tank during parts of processing, I need to fit the plastic top lid. That is where the Paterson system bugs me. The lid takes a good 20-30 seconds to install and remove properly, messing with my timing of the developer. The timing for the other chemicals is not so critical for me.
 

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Do get the tank that holds 2 120 reels! I have one that holds 1 120 reel and have found it limiting. I can live with it as I don't shoot much 120, but for 135 I really like being able to develop 2 rolls at a time. Yes, you can develop just one roll in it as well.

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One 120 reel can be loaded with film and an empty reel on top if one wants to only develop one roll at a time.
 

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Jobo tanks are manual, they don't have to go in the machine. But they do cost a bit more than Paterson. I find them less cumbersome to rotate/tumble (I don't use the Paterson twist post method), and a bit more finicky to properly close after putting in the reels--you have to be careful or they are not light-tight. On the other hand, because I invert the tank during parts of processing, I need to fit the plastic top lid. That is where the Paterson system bugs me. The lid takes a good 20-30 seconds to install and remove properly, messing with my timing of the developer. The timing for the other chemicals is not so critical for me.

TO put this in perspective for the OP: The Paterson lid is a bit annoying, but works OK if you do use the twisty stick for the initial agitation, which has the other benefit of very effectively getting rid of air bubbles. Then you have time to install the lid before the next agitation is due. Press down on the lid a little before fully closing it, so that the pressure inside is lower than outside, that will prevent leakage.
 

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I would be cautious of 1 litre glass graduates. Glass that size and shape is slippery and a bit awkward to use.
Kitchen plastic measuring graduates are fine -= just rinse thoroughly.
All of your chemicals seem fine. I've used a lot of HC-110 in my time, but I'm sure the Ilford option is great.
 

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Glass beakers look fancy, but honestly I prefer dollar store plastic measuring cups.

I also prefer to use wide mouth measuring cups for all the chemistry rather than filling [and dumping] directly with the bottles, as I can dump my chemistry faster and easier without worry over a funnel or anything.
 
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Thank you everyone for the input.

Ok, I think I"m going with the chemical lists I posted.

I did think of another question. How do you wash your measuring equipment? Your tanks and reels?

Just soap and water? Can you run these through the dishwasher or, is this stuff toxic and shouldn't be mixed with eating implements?

What soaps...are there any that might leave residue that would mess with film development?

OH and another thing, on one YT Video....I saw someone was using only distilled water...is this necessary? I was thinking that right now, distilled water is a bit difficult to come by with everyone still virus buying.....is tap water not something you can use?

Again, thank you in advance!!!

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Mostly I just rinse the graduates thoroughly with hot running water.
From time to time (every two years or so) I will run my apparently clean, thoroughly rinsed darkroom graduates and trays through an otherwise empty dishwasher, using very little dishwasher detergent, and no rinse aid. Dishwasher detergent is quite harsh and probably more toxic than most of the darkroom chemicals. It is likely that using the dishwasher shortens the life of some of the equipment.
I give full credence to those who say it is prudent not to mix in any way the stuff you use for food and the stuff you use in the darkroom. I am comfortable with the choice I make, but I'm fairly knowledgeable about what goes into the photographic chemicals I use.
The main role of soap is to break down fats/grease. There is very little fats/grease in photographic darkroom use.
As for distilled water, the answer depends on the quality of your tap water, plus to some extent the chemicals you use. My tap water here is excellent for darkroom work. The only time I don't use tap water is when I make up a 5 litre batch of X-Tol, an ascorbate based developer, and I only do that because X-Tol is sensitive to iron in the water.
 

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I rinse everything with hot water. I would be concerned with soap leaving a residue. There are a few specific darkroom cleaning solutions available through Freestyle, but I don't think you'll need any of that for cleaning B&W film processing gear.

I use distilled water to mix film developer, filtered water for everything else, including the final film rinse/wash.
 

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For whatever it's worth, my experience is that if you're working in a darkroom with a counter, stainless reels are really easy to load in 35 mm -- get the film into the clip and correctly bowed to fit between the two spirals, and just push/roll the reel away from you; the film will almost automatically go into the reel. I've never used stainless for 120, but I'd expect to have much more "fun" because the film is more flexible than 35 mm.

If you're doing your loading in a changing bag, stay away from stainless reels -- I can't load the things unless I have a flat surface with open space above/around the work. A dark box or changing tent would probably be okay. Honestly, any loading in a changing bag can be a challenge compared to a nice, flat counter top where you can stand up, move around, take a hand off the reel/film to reach for something else, stick that piece of tape you'll need in the dark on the edge of the counter, etc. I saw a YouTube video recently on making your own collapsible changing box -- you can use sleeves from a winter coat with elastic cuffs, or cut from a small/cheap changing bag, and the box itself gives a flat interior surface to work on and room above the work, rather than lying on top of what you're trying to do. If I weren't going to have a real darkroom within a couple months, I'd have to revisit that video.

BTW, the smaller Paterson tank, that holds 2x 35mm reels or 1x 127/120 isn't that much of a limitation; you can load two rolls of 120 into a single reel, and develop them with the same amount of chemistry as two rolls of 35mm. The reels were built to take 220, which is twice as long as 120, so there's plenty of room on the reel. I generally load the first roll normally, and stop when it's all through the ball bearing ratchet. Then I push it about halfway around the reel, but less than a full turn, and start the second roll. I run the second roll on until it reaches the tail of the first, and put a (precut, in the light) strip of masking tape or preferably darkroom tape (which will stay on when wet) where they meet. This prevents them overlapping while I finish walking the second roll in, pushing the first down to the core of the spiral. Some folks will, instead, manually push the first roll all the way in until it stops, then just load the second normally, but it doesn't take much to get the second roll overlapping the first; I prefer to tape them together to prevent that.

One major advantage of the "three reel" size Paterson tank is that you can buy an adapter for it that will hold six sheets of 4x5 or 9x12 cm film in the same tank. Handy, if you think you might get into large format later, but not really worth the money unless you'll also need to process three rolls of 35 mm at a time. For about the same money as the Mod 54 unit, you can get a Stearman Press 4x5 daylight tank (they're a sponsor here, and have their own sub-forum in the Analog section) that will process four sheets in half the chemistry as the large Paterson needs for one or more.
 

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I would have some alcohol on hand & some wetting agent to add to the water when doing the final wash before drying the film. Wetting agent will help in even drying. (as others mentioned no squeegee
The reels must be well shaken onto a napkin or chamois (synthetic) and after drying (if in a hurry a hairdryer) make sure that the small metal balls in the grooves of the "auto loading" assistence are free/loose and not stuck to the reel.
They really need to be free as this is what causes most hassles along with dampness.
Don't put these things you are using in the darkroom into your dishwasher!!! A few drops of liquid soap for washing beakers etc. and thoroughly wash and dry everything immediately after use. Enjoy!
 

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Thank you everyone for the input.

Ok, I think I"m going with the chemical lists I posted.

I did think of another question. How do you wash your measuring equipment? Your tanks and reels?

I just swill the measuring cylinders and other containers with tap water. Tanks and reels get a brief rinse under the tap, no biggie.

Just soap and water? Can you run these through the dishwasher or, is this stuff toxic and shouldn't be mixed with eating implements?

What soaps...are there any that might leave residue that would mess with film development?

No, don't put tanks, spirals or measuring cylinders through the dishwasher. The heat could deform them. If you need to clean them, a little washing-up liquid will suffice and rinse it off.

OH and another thing, on one YT Video....I saw someone was using only distilled water...is this necessary? I was thinking that right now, distilled water is a bit difficult to come by with everyone still virus buying.....is tap water not something you can use?

No, you don't need to use distilled water, spring water or mystical dewdrops collected at dawn. Clean tap water will do nicely, though you should filter out any solids like grit or limescale flakes. Using wetting agent in the final rinse is important for clean negatives; it helps the water run evenly off the film's surfaces so you don't get spots of limescale on film (called drying spots).
 
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