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This would be the antique camera to end all antiques!
I'm speechless!
I wonder how many tens of thousands that will go for...
I would have expected such a valuable item to be auctioned "properly" via an auction house, no?
I had to read the title twice, then clean my reading glasses.
Sotheby's have stopped their specialist camera / photographic auctions. Evidently many of the collectors are rather aged and younger buyers have differing tastes. Also internet sales have democratised the market making older collectable equipment much easier to find.
Ian
Good evening everyone,
"ya just gotta see this"!! eBay item # 270167088524
You can read about this camera at http://www.breker.com/Anzeigen/NIEPCE english.pdf
This would be the antique camera to end all antiques!
I'm speechless!
Sam H.
People "in the know" here in France involved in the restoration* of Niepce's home in Chalon-sur-Saône and the creation of the website, Dead Link Removed have indicated to me that they seriously doubt that this camera was that of Niepce. Bidder beware!
People "in the know" here in France involved in the restoration* of Niepce's home in Chalon-sur-Saône and the creation of the website, www.niepce.com have indicated to me that they seriously doubt that this camera was that of Niepce. Bidder beware!
Best,
Christopher
PS - it should be mentioned that during the restoration and transformation of the house into a museum, they actually found several of Niepce's cameras and lab equipment in the attic . . .
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Hello Christopher,
People "in the know" seriously doubt that this camera was that of Niépce.
It would be interesting to know what "People in the know" know exactly (Sorry for the pun!). To be a bit more serious and without any controversy, anybody can have his opinion, what happens if people "in the know" are wrong? They just miss a very very interesting camera... Just consider that this camera has been found 25 years ago at 4 km from the place where ALL THE NIEPCE's STUFF has been stored for more than a century. Consider that this very small camera has an optical specs proportionally similar (aperture, field coverage) to that of the large camera which shot the Austin University first heliography etc. etc.
All the best.
Pierre-Jean
Hello Christopher,
People "in the know" seriously doubt that this camera was that of Niépce.
It would be interesting to know what "People in the know" know exactly (Sorry for the pun!). To be a bit more serious and without any controversy, anybody can have his opinion, what happens if people "in the know" are wrong? They just miss a very very interesting camera... Just consider that this camera has been found 25 years ago at 4 km from the place where ALL THE NIEPCE's STUFF has been stored for more than a century. Consider that this very small camera has an optical specs proportionally similar (aperture, field coverage) to that of the large camera which shot the Austin University first heliography etc. etc.
All the best.
Pierre-Jean
In support of Chris' Nisperos' report, from the horse's mouth, as it were: Dead Link Removed
For those of you who don't read french, the key points are:
Auction Team Koln provided none of the documentation promised.
There's no evidence that Niepce used such a camera or lens.
Alternative explanations for it exist and haven't been ruled out.
Bonsoir Christopher,Pierre-Jean le plus cher,
Dans mon post j'ai donner le lien pour le website donc tu est libre de les contacter et leur dire tes sentiments les plus profonds. Entre-temps, o! get off my back, dude! En ce qui concerne l'appareil, vraiment je m'en fiche si c'est authentique ou pas. Qu'est-ce que j'en ai à faire? J'ai une information, je la transmets. C'est tout. Si c'est ton habitude d'acheter des antiquités cheres et au prix fort sur simple déduction et sans une recherche aprofondie, c'est ton affaire. Mais faut pas critiquer tous ceux qui ont d'autres habitudes . . . n'est-ce pas?
En tous cas, si tu est en France, tu est bienvenu de me contacter pour un verre (ton invitation ..).(OK.. le deuxième verre c'est pour moi!).
Excuse my (bad) French. Welcome to APUG. You're not in Kansas anymore (mais peut-etre Bruères-Allichamps?) It's pretty friendly here, but if you come in swinging, keep your dukes up . . . this ain't no square dance! (< de l'humour!)
Amicalement,
Christopher
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Pierre-Jean,
Welcome to APUG. This being a rather strongly worded first post, may we ask if you are in anyway connected to the camera or auction?
John Powers
Pierre-Jean,
Thank you. This link was posted at the begining of the thread. Is it the same 17 pages you offer? If so thank you. I found it very interesting.
http://www.breker.com/Anzeigen/NIEPCE english.pdf
I was not in a position to bid on such a prize, but the history and the discovery is very exciting.
John Powers
Bonsoir Christopher,
Désolé pour cette réponse tardive, j'avais perdu mon mot de passe et je viens de le retrouver!
Bien sur, le premier verre sera pour moi...
Je ne suis pas neutre dans cette vente, j'ai travaillé depuis pas mal de temps sur cette petite chambre à la demande d'Auction Team Köln qui a fait la vente Samedi dernier et j'ai reçu beaucoup d'aide d'excellents amis et spécialistes.
Je ne suis pas expert mais je connais un peu l'histoire de cette chambre. J'en ai d'ailleurs parlé avec "the people in the know" il ya deux ans et ni "eux" ni moi ne pouvions imaginer ce que nous avons appris en deux ou trois ans.
I am sorry Christopher, I do not know how to behave on a forum. I just have a 17 pages text and pictures describing this small box and what we think to be its "story". I do not have your email address. Please tell me how to send you this text, just for your information, NO PUBLICITY.
All the best.
Pierre-Jean
I think it suffices to say that this is an item of unproven provenance...I hope that the buyer factored that in to their bidding... I think the issue here is the statements that the camera [belonged] to Niepce. Lacking serial numbers and/or sales receipts, the best we can hope for is a "period authentic camera LIKE one used by Niepce".
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