New Tmax 400 Film

genecrumpler · Nov 16, 2007

Any one yet gotten hold of any of this film. Saw the Press Release on Sexton Site. I'd like to try it in 4x5 size, if they ever make it!

sanking · Nov 16, 2007

genecrumpler said:
Any one yet gotten hold of any of this film. Saw the Press Release on Sexton Site. I'd like to try it in 4x5 size, if they ever make it!

I received a few roll of the new TMY film/000 film in 120 size and tested it a few weeks ago. It definitely has finer grain and a snapper look than the film that is currently available.

The new TMY is not yet available for testing in sheet film size. This information is current as I spoke just a couple of days ago to someone at Kodak involved with promoting the film.

Sandy King

David A. Goldfarb · Nov 16, 2007

Here's a 35mm sample from the gallery--

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

c6h6o3 · Nov 16, 2007

From what I was told by Kodak, no sheet film test coating has yet been scheduled due to the fact that the emulsion formulation will be slightly different on the base necessary for sheet film and they haven't yet quite pinned it down exactly.

From what I could glean from the conversation, a separate pre-release test cycle will be conducted on the sheet film just as it was for the roll film. I couldn't get an ETA out of him, but they certainly seem anxious to get this stuff out on the street.

ilya1963 · Nov 16, 2007

We all need to raise an issue about them want to package the 8x10 in ten sheet boxes !!!!

Kodak link stated that is what they want to do

At least 25 sheets per box like Ilford does , personaly prefer the 50 sheet boxes

ILYA

Andrew Moxom · Nov 16, 2007

Sandy, I know this may not be available yet, but have you tried the new TMAX 400 film with Pyrocat developer as yet? I know the old TMY was a staple for you using Pyrocat and your recommendations have worked well for me with the old film and Pyrocat HD also.... Just curious. Any times or data available at all?

sanking said:
I received a few roll of the new TMY film/000 film in 120 size and tested it a few weeks ago. It definitely has finer grain and a snapper look than the film that is currently available.

The new TMY is not yet available for testing in sheet film size. This information is current as I spoke just a couple of days ago to someone at Kodak involved with promoting the film.

Sandy King

David A. Goldfarb · Nov 16, 2007

ilya1963 said:
We all need to raise an issue about them want to package the 8x10 in ten sheet boxes !!!!

Kodak link stated that is what they want to do

At least 25 sheets per box like Ilford does , personaly prefer the 50 sheet boxes

ILYA

Really? They sell color that way, but I think all the 8x10" B&W films are currently sold in 50 sheet boxes.

John Kasaian · Nov 16, 2007

TXP in 4x5 is still available in 25 sheet boxes (I guess they felt sorry for college students who have to come up with the scratch!)

ilya1963 · Nov 16, 2007

Really? They sell color that way, but I think all the 8x10" B&W films are currently sold in 50 sheet boxes.
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Yes , David

http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins...s/bw/bwFilmQAs.pdf?id=0.2.26.14.17.14.8&lc=en

that is what this link indicates at the very end...

ILYA

sanking · Nov 16, 2007

Andrew Moxom said:
Sandy, I know this may not be available yet, but have you tried the new TMAX 400 film with Pyrocat developer as yet? I know the old TMY was a staple for you using Pyrocat and your recommendations have worked well for me with the old film and Pyrocat HD also.... Just curious. Any times or data available at all?

Yes, I tested the old and new TMY by developing a roll of each, together, in Pyrocat-HD. The new TMY has finer grain and greater apparent sharpness, but it will require slightly longer development time to reach the same CI as the current TMY.

Sandy

sanking · Nov 16, 2007

c6h6o3 said:
From what I could glean from the conversation, a separate pre-release test cycle will be conducted on the sheet film just as it was for the roll film. I couldn't get an ETA out of him, but they certainly seem anxious to get this stuff out on the street.

I think that is about right. They have made a few test runs but do not appear ready to release the sheet film for public testing.

Sandy

David A. Goldfarb · Nov 17, 2007

More 35mm samples in various developers from Tom Abrahamsson--

http://flickr.com/photos/rapidwinder/tags/kodak4002tmy/

His development info in this thread--

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48402

Roger Hicks · Nov 17, 2007

sanking said:
Yes, I tested the old and new TMY by developing a roll of each, together, in Pyrocat-HD. The new TMY has finer grain and greater apparent sharpness, but it will require slightly longer development time to reach the same CI as the current TMY.

Sandy

Dear Sandy,

I performed a similar test, using T-Max dev (well, you have to give the stuff a chance...) and found to my surprise that the gamma of the new material was slightly higher than that of the old. 'To my surprise' because I had understood that it required more development too; but it didn't, in that particular dev. I was so surprised that I repeated the test, with identical results. I second your observations about grain and sharpness.

Cheers,

Roger

aldevo · Nov 17, 2007

David A. Goldfarb said:
More 35mm samples in various developers from Tom Abrahamsson--

http://flickr.com/photos/rapidwinder/tags/kodak4002tmy/

His development info in this thread--

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48402

Interesting results. I do prefer the look of TMY2 vs the previous generation TMY and it seems a somewhat more forgiving in the deep shadows and in the highlights.

I also found that the previous generation of TMY tended to produce highlights with little or no local texture when enlarged (a different problem than simply blowing out the highlights - which was also a concern with that film) even when a densitomer or "newsprint test" suggested that the highlights were printable and inspection under a loupe confirmed the presence of local texture in these regions of the neg. That problem was, unsurprisingly, particularly pronounced in 35mm.

I will be particularly curious as to whether the new film shows improvements in this area. I don't believe a scanned neg. can impart the whole story here; I'd have to see enlarged prints

Regardless, I'm happy to see EK roll-out a new film. I just hope they understand there's still a market for Plus-X even if TMY2 is every bit as sharp and fine-grained...

aldevo · Nov 17, 2007

Roger Hicks said:
Dear Sandy,

I performed a similar test, using T-Max dev (well, you have to give the stuff a chance...) and found to my surprise that the gamma of the new material was slightly higher than that of the old. 'To my surprise' because I had understood that it required more development too; but it didn't, in that particular dev. I was so surprised that I repeated the test, with identical results. I second your observations about grain and sharpness.

Cheers,

Roger

I'm curious as to whether your test was done with a JOBO or with hand agitation. It isn't wholly unprecedented to find that whether a film needs more or less time to achieve the same CI after a reformulation depends upon whether one is processing in tanks using intermittent agitation by hand or processing via a rotary machine, such as a JOBO. I believe users found this was the case after Kodak published its revised development times in 2003.

Failing that explanation we can always fall back on the usual weirdness associated with TMAX (no RS) developer...

Roger Hicks · Nov 17, 2007

aldevo said:
I'm curious as to whether your test was done with a JOBO or with hand agitation. It isn't wholly unprecedented to find that whether a film needs more or less time to achieve the same CI after a reformulation depends upon whether one is processing in tanks using intermittent agitation by hand or processing via a rotary machine, such as a JOBO. I believe users found this was the case after Kodak published its revised development times in 2003.

Failing that explanation we can always fall back on the usual weirdness associated with TMAX (no RS) developer...

Usual weirdness, I think. Both films were developed with 30s initial agitation followed by 5 sec/30 agitation. I'll probably process the majority of my TMY2 this way as I'm checking the developer repertoire as well.

Cheers,

R.

sanking · Nov 17, 2007

In my test the two films were processed on reels in tank with minimal agiation. Initial agitation was for one minute, and agitation for 15 seconds every three minutes thereafter. Total development time was 15 minutes at 70F.

Minimal agitaiton is my standard for roll film.

Sandy King

c6h6o3 · Nov 19, 2007

Roger Hicks said:
Dear Sandy,

I performed a similar test, using T-Max dev (well, you have to give the stuff a chance...) and found to my surprise that the gamma of the new material was slightly higher than that of the old. 'To my surprise' because I had understood that it required more development too; but it didn't, in that particular dev. I was so surprised that I repeated the test, with identical results. I second your observations about grain and sharpness.

Cheers,

Roger

My results agree with Roger's. I developed two strips of film, one TMY and the other TMY-2 (for want of a better description) together on the same rollfilm reel in 777 developer. Same scene, same lighting, same exposure. I then contact printed both strips of film onto the same sheet of Canadian Grade 2 Azo and developed it in amidol. The new stuff showed dramatically higher contrast and just about identical shadow detail (the new may be about 1/2 stop faster). I used my standard TMY time for normal negatives when developing the film.

Where the TMY looked like mud the TMY-2 jumped right off the paper. In fact, I may have to cut back on development with this new stuff.

JLP · Nov 19, 2007

This is very exiting, the "old" TMY is already good for alternative processes but the new could be even better. And for Azo grade 2 it should also be a nice film.
Any similarities to the TXP as far as contrast goes?

jan

c6h6o3 · Nov 19, 2007

JLP said:
Any similarities to the TXP as far as contrast goes?

I haven't used Tri-X in more than 5 years, long before I standardized on Panthermic 777 developer. The last time I used it I developed the film in ABC pyro. So I haven't a clue as to the answer to your question.

mattpallante · Nov 20, 2007

matt

Has anyone heard if Kodak will be distributing the TMY-2 in 5 by 7 format in the U.S.? Please,please,please..........

c6h6o3 · Nov 20, 2007

mattpallante said:
Has anyone heard if Kodak will be distributing the TMY-2 in 5 by 7 format in the U.S.? Please,please,please..........

Kodak won't, but Michael Kadillak assures me that there will be plenty of 5x7 sheet film when he gets his special sizes order done.

Anybody who wants 5x7 SPEAK UP! Michael needs to know. The more commitment he has from us, the easier it will be to get it cut and boxed when the time comes to pay the piper.

JLP · Nov 20, 2007

I'm buying TMY2 in 5x7 when available. Still have some of the old TMY but it is my main 5x7 film, Delta 100 being second.

jan

pschauss · Nov 20, 2007

I tried the original TMY several years ago when I was getting back into black and white photography. Although I got some good results with it, I found it to be a bit too sensitive to minor variations in exposure and development. Based on a subjective evaluation of one roll of, the new version seems to be a considerable improvement. I set my light meter to the same setting that I would have used for Tri-X and developed it for 6 minutes in HC-110 B as per The Massive Development Chart, ignoring Kodak's recommended 5:30. The negatives were easy to print and have good contrast.

I am going to try to attach some samples if I can make that feature of this site work

sanking · Nov 21, 2007

c6h6o3 said:
My results agree with Roger's. I developed two strips of film, one TMY and the other TMY-2 (for want of a better description) together on the same rollfilm reel in 777 developer. Same scene, same lighting, same exposure. I then contact printed both strips of film onto the same sheet of Canadian Grade 2 Azo and developed it in amidol. The new stuff showed dramatically higher contrast and just about identical shadow detail (the new may be about 1/2 stop faster). I used my standard TMY time for normal negatives when developing the film.

Where the TMY looked like mud the TMY-2 jumped right off the paper. In fact, I may have to cut back on development with this new stuff.

Wonder if there is more than one test emulsion? I repeated the test TMY versus TMY-2 with D76 1:1 and got the same result. Definitely less CI with TMY-2 for the same time of development.

Sandy King

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