New Rollei B+W slide film

Marc Leest · Sep 27, 2006

Hi all,

Today I got a sample (not tested yet) of a new Rollei film: "SLIDE-DIRECT 50"
Strange thing of this film is that it is supposed to give a direct positive when developed in ID-11.
Not sure how that is possible, but i'll give it a try.

Regards, Marc The Leest

Stephanie Brim · Sep 27, 2006

If you could see the look on my face right now...it's something like this: mixed with this: :confused: and if you'd throw in a healthy dose of as well you'd have it.

Amund · Sep 27, 2006

Stephanie Brim said:
If you could see the look on my face right now...it's something like this: mixed with this: :confused: and if you'd throw in a healthy dose of as well you'd have it.

LOL, that sums up my expression pretty good too.

Stephanie Brim · Sep 27, 2006

I'm guessing that this means that it's a film that will develop to a positive in any normal B&W developer. TEST TEST TEST!!! Show the results when you're done. If it works, it could be a very interesting film indeed.

3Dfan · Sep 28, 2006

Marc Leest said:
Strange thing of this film is that it is supposed to give a direct positive when developed in ID-11.
Not sure how that is possible, but i'll give it a try.

I think Kodak used to make a copy film that was pre-exposed to the point where any more exposure would produce a positive by means of solarization. My guess is that it's something like that with this new film.

3Dfan · Sep 28, 2006

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Fotohuis · Sep 28, 2006

The Rollei Slide Direct is an orthochromatic micro based film. You can make B&W slides with the standard RHS developer.
E.I. 25-maybe 50.
At this time (next month) only available in 135-24 film. Rest will follow in beginning 2007.

Also new is a Rollei CN400 pro C41 film, especially made for scanning, so without the orange mask.
Available in 135-36 and 120 roll film next month.

Also to be expected a new Rollei CR200 pro E-6 slide film. Also beginning 2007.

best regards,

Robert (Just back from the Photokina in Cologne)

kraker · Sep 28, 2006

Fotohuis said:
The Rollei Slide Direct is an orthochromatic micro based film. You can make B&W slides with the standard RHS developer.
E.I. 25-maybe 50.
At this time (next month) only available in 135-24 film. Rest will follow in beginning 2007.

Orthochromatic... That makes it somewhat less interesting for every day use. One could also use ortho neg. film for making slides from negatives in the darkroom. Well, this is less work and will give a different effect (black reds). Is't worth a try!

Also new is a Rollei CN400 pro C41 film, especially made for scanning, so without the orange mask.
Available in 135-36 and 120 roll film next month.

Also to be expected a new Rollei CR200 pro E-6 slide film. Also beginning 2007.

CN400 C41, will that be a real colour negative film or B&W using C41?

Good to see there's still new interesting products being introduced.

Fotohuis · Sep 28, 2006

CN400 C41, will that be a real colour negative film or B&W using C41?

It is a real color negative film but can be also used for a B&W conversion due to the fact ICE (scanning) will work perfectly.
Clear PET layer and non-curling layer for real flatness.

Fotohuis · Sep 28, 2006

The first results of the Rollei CN400 pro scanfilm:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotohuisrovo/255112891/

+Very easy to scan
+Transparant layer
+Super flat and easy to load
+Needs hardly any color correction
+Standard C41 development
-Take care of the light pipe effect when loading/unloading

best regards,

Robert

3Dfan · Sep 28, 2006

kraker said:
Orthochromatic... That makes it somewhat less interesting for every day use. One could also use ortho neg. film for making slides from negatives in the darkroom. Well, this is less work and will give a different effect (black reds). Is't worth a try!

I believe Scala was an ortho film. This new Rollie film looks like it may be exactly what I've been wanting - an b/w slide film I can afford to process.

ajuk · Sep 29, 2006

Fotohuis said:
The Rollei Slide Direct is an orthochromatic micro based film. You can make B&W slides with the standard RHS developer.
E.I. 25-maybe 50.
At this time (next month) only available in 135-24 film. Rest will follow in beginning 2007.

Also new is a Rollei CN400 pro C41 film, especially made for scanning, so without the orange mask.
Available in 135-36 and 120 roll film next month.

Also to be expected a new Rollei CR200 pro E-6 slide film. Also beginning 2007.

best regards,

Robert (Just back from the Photokina in Cologne)

I thought Rollei were all made be Maco, are these films not already availible under the Maco brand?

As for the C41 film I thought only Ilford and Kodak make that stuff, could it be rebranded XP2 like Neopan 400CN?

Stephanie Brim · Sep 29, 2006

Maybe they're finally doing their own?

And the color film is a color negative film, not a chromogenic B&W.

Fotohuis · Sep 29, 2006

Nobody is doing at it's own. Even Kodak and Ilford chemicals are both made by Champion in the mean time. It's just a matter of economic calculation and the right business partner. (In case of Rollei/Maco, Gevaert in Belgium, for these color technology films and their very nice new IR-400 film).

CN400 pro is a C41 color film indeed not a chromogenic film, see my example in this thread. Later this afternoon the first tests of the new Rollei Slide DIREKT.

Helen B · Sep 29, 2006

3Dfan said:
I believe Scala was an ortho film...

It is more like an orthopan film than pure ortho isn't it? It does have some sensitivity beyond green.

Best,
Helen

doitashimashite · Sep 29, 2006

Marc Leest said:
Hi all,

Today I got a sample (not tested yet) of a new Rollei film: "SLIDE-DIRECT 50"
Strange thing of this film is that it is supposed to give a direct positive when developed in ID-11.
Not sure how that is possible, but i'll give it a try.

Regards, Marc The Leest

I can't wait to try this one out. This is what I have been waiting for!
Any results yet?

Could this be a DR-5 killer?
(http://www.dr5.com/main.html)

Black Dog · Sep 29, 2006

Scala was panchromatic IIRC but look forward to trying the new stuff.

DKT · Sep 29, 2006

it actually kinda sounds like the old kodak SO duping films--they weren't exactly "slides", but they worked like a positive, were ortho, and you used regular developers like D76, DK50 etc. I never shot any as a camera film--always used it to dupe negs--but it was pretty slow also. Not as "fast" as 25 or 50....

btw--afaik, agfa had a similar product at one time as well as some others....so it might not be as exotic as it sounds. most of the technical use for those films is pretty much obsolete now--even though microfilm is still the big thing for document work, they use digital imagers now more & more and burn to microfilm--the optical stuff is on the way out.

3Dfan · Sep 29, 2006

doitashimashite said:
Could this be a DR-5 killer?
(http://www.dr5.com/main.html)

I believe the DR5 lab has published that its most popular film is HP5+ because it has a wide speed range. I can't see a 50 speed film seriously competing against that.

Marc Leest · Sep 29, 2006

Hello,

I have a datasheet here (German)

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ath · Sep 30, 2006

Hello,

this is my first here, but since I had the chance to see the "slides" at the photokina, I thought I give my opinion here.
I was disappointed with the quality. Take a look at the datasheet; the max. densitiy is only 2.25, which is far too low for projection.
The slides were presented on a light table and it is clearly visible, that the blacks are dark grey in reality.
As a consequence, the contrast was too low resulting in dull looking pictures.

In my opinion this is a film giving direct positives but unusable for projecting.

Wish it would be better...

Regards,
Andreas

doitashimashite · Sep 30, 2006

ath said:
Hello,

this is my first here, but since I had the chance to see the "slides" at the photokina, I thought I give my opinion here.
I was disappointed with the quality. Take a look at the datasheet; the max. densitiy is only 2.25, which is far too low for projection.
The slides were presented on a light table and it is clearly visible, that the blacks are dark grey in reality.
As a consequence, the contrast was too low resulting in dull looking pictures.

In my opinion this is a film giving direct positives but unusable for projecting.

Wish it would be better...

Regards,
Andreas

I wouldn't be too hasty to jump to conclusions yet. As I understand the datasheet, you can control the contrast level just by using different developers (RLC, RHS/Rodinal, RHC). My guess is that the slides you saw, were developed with scanning in mind, which results in low contrast images.

Fotohuis · Sep 30, 2006

Exactly, we have worked out our first results with Rollei RHS/AM74 but in contrast to the new Rollei CN400 pro (C41) scanfilm there are a lot of variables to control.
Our result: 1.8 log D with the RHS and suitable for scanning, indeed not for projection with this combination and some questions for the Rollei/Maco company.

Available data details (in German) are on our web site so far including an example in the gallery what we have done last week in a B-test.

best regards,

Robert

jandc · Sep 30, 2006

doitashimashite said:
I can't wait to try this one out. This is what I have been waiting for!
Any results yet?

Could this be a DR-5 killer?
(http://www.dr5.com/main.html)

Not likely given all the film options DR5 offers with their process including many pan films.

ath · Sep 30, 2006

Fotohuis said:
Exactly, we have worked out our first results with Rollei RHS/AM74 but in contrast to the new Rollei CN400 pro (C41) scanfilm there are a lot of variables to control.
Our result: 1.8 log D with the RHS and suitable for scanning, indeed not for projection with this combination and some questions for the Rollei/Maco company.

Available data details (in German) are on our web site so far including an example in the gallery what we have done last week in a B-test.

best regards,

Robert

Hello Robert,

Maco/Rollei put some strong statements in their data sheet (e.g. [translated from the german datasheet]: perfect for scanning and projecting).

You have good connections to Rollei / Maco. Do you know, what this statement in the datasheet is based on?

Regards,
Andreas

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