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The price looks almost exactly what I expected. I've been following this item and its development for some time. They have made it quite clear that they are really going for the "used 9000" market. In other words, they expect their product to match or exceed the performance of the Coolscan 9000ED. That is a product that sold some time back in far higher volume for a retail price of around $2300.

Of course, until it is in people's hands we won't know how close it comes to achieving those goals. However, if it matches or exceeds the old Coolscan I would call the price extremely fair.

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So they have recreated 10 year old technology and priced it at 3x the price of a decade ago? Is this not a fair assessment?
 

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So they have recreated 10 year old technology and priced it at 3x the price of a decade ago? Is this not a fair assessment?

I don't think it is a fair assessment...What 5300 DPI, medium-format scanner with film holders with adjustable per-frame cross-bars for maximum flatness and up to a 6x12 active scanning area was available 10 years ago for $700?

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Ok, up further review I had my prices off. Nikon Coolscan 9000 came out in 2004 for $1800. It is just so frustrating how little the technology/price ratio has advanced since then. If the new Plustek can give a significantly better scan than the Coolscan, perhaps I rushed to judgement.
 
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It wasn't spite that prompted Nikon's decision to ditch the 9000ED in '09. They hadn't been selling, like their other scanners, because demand for film products had tanked. Plustek's slo-mo roll-out of this product might just might have resulted from uncertainty about demand for a hi-end scanner amidst economic turmoil and doubt about film's future, especially after Kodak's crash in 01/12. Suspect the Plustek pricing reflects very limited production. Demand for scanners was very different in 2004 and the 9000ED didn't fly off the shelves at 2 grand.
 
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It's like the film market in general. On the one hand -- poor us! -- we haven't had any advances in scanner technology in close to a decade whilst the (technologically very similar) DSLR market has seen innovation and improvement after innovation and improvement. On the other hand, along comes Plustek and if it is as good as it ought to be it will not be around long, nor followed by anything better, if the film shooter of the world don't put their money where there mouths are and buy it.

If it comes out and it is junk, by all means don't buy one. However, if it comes out and turns out to be a real improvement in scanning (it is almost sure to be for medium format shooters) then we have only ourselves to blame if it disappears because we don't buy it.
 

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I'm buying one as soon as it comes out. I love to treat my F6 like a DSLR, and I really am pining for some sharper scans.
 

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I would qualify "6x12cm, a highly sensitive colour CCD, an 8-element glass lens and stepper motor delivering a maximum resolution of 10,660ppi" as significant improvements. If in fact it can actually resolved as much - when the detail is captured on film, and be at least as speedy - if not faster then the 9000 with ICE on, then that is a bargain basement price.
 

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I can't remember where I saw it...perhaps on the facebook page, but their claim of 5300 DPI is supposedly backed up with actual USAF 1951 test results. I can't wait to see someone put this scanner through it's paces, once it's available.

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I did it.

Well, I did it. I have a Plustek 120 on the way from BH Photo. We'll see how good a scanner you get for $1,999.99 plus tax. :D
 

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I'd be interested in hearing about the quality of the film holders, and if there is a glass holder available (or ANR glass can easily be fitted).
 

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When it arrives (BH Photo says that will take 7 to 14 days) I'll know a whole lot more about what it is like.
 

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Will it be your only scanner? Do you have another scanner so that you can post any side by side comparisons of some film scanned on the 120 plus some other known scanner?

Very excited for you!

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The slow rollout of this scanner has been killing me. On paper, it should rival or exceed the LS-9000. Problem is, I'd have to sell my Nikon to free up cash to get this one. I'd hate to be disappointed...

Of course, it this turns out to be a Nikon-killer, it will drive the used market for the LS-9000 down considerably, I think.

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Will it be your only scanner? Do you have another scanner so that you can post any side by side comparisons of some film scanned on the 120 plus some other known scanner?

Very excited for you!

Sam

The Plustek 120 will replace an Epson V500, which works relatively well for medium format with the Better Scanning Adjustable holder, but struggles a bit with 35mm. I will put the Epson up for sale once the Plustek is here and set up. I hadn't really intended to run any side by side tests since the Plustek is likely a far better scanner to start with. It had better be for that price!! :laugh:
 

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I have the 9000 and hope that the Plustek is up to the task! I don't care that it affects the astronomical price that the Coolscans command as I have no intention of selling mine. However, I do want to be able to recommend a possible alternate to the Coolscans.

I have conducted numerous tests between the Coolscan, Epson V500 and Epson V7XX. Let me know if you are interested in conducting them.
 

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If I had the $2K I would buy an OpticFilm 120 in a heartbeat. However, as for selling my Coolscan 9000ED? No way.

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Just came across this presentation with a little further information.

Plustek OpticFilm 120 Product Introduction

I'd still like to see some full res scans and a proper user review before I'd drop the cash on one. I'm really hoping it succeeds and is as good as they say it is (presentation looks a little short on data however).
 

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Wow...thanks for digging that up, and welcome to DPUG. Obviously targeted at either internal marketing folks or at distributors / resellers. It's far more comprehensive than some marketing presentations I've seen.

Interesting to have the appendix that compares and explains different film types and frame sizes. I guess we've finally moved into an era where people don't necessarily know these things.

The one thing I noticed is that they missed the boat on the rear cover. There's no way to leave it plugged in (to power or USB) on your desk and still use the rear cover to seal things up. The cover covers up the ports. Not really a deal-killer, but it means someone wasn't paying attention to the case design.

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Just me or is that promo package a bit underwhelming? Can't help but wonder that Plustek waited too long to roll out a product that was announced at the beginning of 2012. So much uncertainty around film now with Kodak circling the drain, Fuji axing MP materials production, and prices bound to rise. Two grand will buy a new Nikon D600. Hope it's an over-achiever.
 

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My understanding is that part of the delay relates to a change of sensor late it development. There's a big thread on photo.net that discusses this scanner. There's a suggestion that the sensor got EOL'd (end-of-life) by the manufacturer without replacement. So they had to source and re-qualify a new sensor.

And based on their marketing guy's comments in that thread (Mark Druziak), this was for internal distributor and channel partners, not for the general public.

Unlike CGW, I think this scanner has serious potential. I think there are a fair number of people out there who are still looking for an MF scanner, as prices for the Nikon 9000 show. Assuming it's priced right, I think it can be a successful, if not high-volume product.

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Although many of us use digital regularly, an awful lot of us still like using film as well. There are others who really don't want a Nikon D600. I know $2,000 sounds like a lot of money for a scanner, if you think about it, it really is not that much. A lot of people have far more than that invested in their digital (or film) equipment and lenses. They are certainly a lot more fun, and a whole lot sexier than a scanner, but a top notch film scanner is just as important to those of us who want continue shooting film.

I just received some developed color film back from my lab, and I asked them to scan it for me. The scanning cost me a little over $100 and I didn't ask for the high quality scans. Being able to reliably do that at home is worth a fair amount to me. If I have the lab do that much scanning for me in a year that comes to $1,200 dollars in a year. At that rate I could have this scanner paid off within two years. After that it is only the cost of electricity (and memory). That is a relatively decent return on investment.

Now I shoot a lot of 35mm and medium format film. I like the fact that I can digitize these images but have the back up of a negative if I suffer some glitch with my computer. I also like printing color on an inkjet printer. So this was a very good investment for me if it works as advertised. For others this will not be a good deal. Maybe they shoot more large format, or maybe their lab scanning costs are not as high as mine have been, or maybe they just prefer printing in a darkroom.

But if this scanner does exactly what it says it will do, in my own humble opinion it is certainly worth every penny to me. As I said, everyone else will have to look at it and make their own decisions. But I do think it is a bit amusing that it seems OK to pay $2,000 for a new camera, $500 to $1,500 more for a couple of new lenses (or a hell of a lot more), but not be OK to pay $2,000 for a scanner that will provide an equal level of digital quality for all your 35mm and medium format negatives.
 

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I'm quite happy with the price if it lives up to its specifications and outperforms a Coolscan 9000 as Plustek claims. Works out to $2399 AUD here. I'd just like to see a bit more concrete data and actual scans as the information so far has been thin at best.
At the moment I only shoot probably a roll per week and limit my develop / scanning time to one weekend per month. So far I have been duping B&W negs with my D700 which has been ok for proofing and web display. I don't do that with colour negative film though as I can never seem to get the colours right on. Anything that I want to print I send out for a $20 Imacon 949 scan. I dont print that much - I mean I only have so much wall space. Maybe I need to start selling prints haha.

I do have a chest freezer full of film that I'd like to continue to shoot/develop/scan well into the future - so yeah I'm hoping this scanner succeeds.
 
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