So your explanation to me reads that the sensor reads the whole film plane at once which doesn't make sense to me.
The PPI should not change at all no matter what size the film is...
I always assumed that the scanner lens read parts of the film one section at a time like a fax scanner did, not the whole film in one, so I never understood why you get less PPI from a larger piece of film, I always thought the limiting factor was some kind of buffer that could only hold so much data so they decreased the PPI when going from 35mm to 120 as a cost savings. So your explanation to me reads that the sensor reads the whole film plane at once which doesn't make sense to me.
That's why the epson does so well, it's "good enough" and does "everything" I think plustek will only do well because v750 owners have had then for a while and have forgotten or payed off their $800 bill and having access to it already for 4x5's will drop the $2k for higher 120/135 but I don't think they will sell enough because of all the short sighted limitations. Not for $2k in this market.
Also, whoever said that you could get thinner holders by 3D printing, i'm open to ideas about V700 holders that get the film closer to the glass.
This has got to be the most active discussion DPUG has ever had.
I find that if I'm right up against the glass, the focus is soft, and as I pull the film farther away it gets more crisp, I'm pretty sure the depth of field on the scanner lens is meant to be a bit above the glass plane....
I would believe that as flatbed scanners go, most of the scans are of the reflective type which means on the glass.
Aren't the fluid mounting kits off the glass too?
The Epson v700/750 scans film on a focus plane above the base glass. But due to mechanical variances in manufacturing, that plane appears to vary widely from unit to unit. To make matters worse, the depth of field of that plane is extremely narrow.
Unfortunately, with some units, that plane is excessively close to the glass, so the provided holders never get you into the sweet spot. For other units, the plane is excessively high, with the same result.
The betterscanning holder is the most elegant solution to the problem. But you can achieve the same result as I described above, it is just more painful. I went the betterscanning route instead of wasting my time shimming. However, I also bought the Digitaliza holders for 35mm and 120, and manually shimmed them, because their mounting system is so quick. They make great proofing holders - close enough for reasonable scans, and faster to load than either the stock holders or the betterscanning system. (And they are fairly cheap. Check them out on Lomography.com .)
You'd get better flatness with the betterscanning wet/dry mounting system (film taped under ANR glass, essentially perfectly flat). You'd get better flatness (but not perfect flatness) from the Digitaliza holders (they grip the film magnetically along the whole length, and leave enough exposed so you should be able to get the sprocket holes on 35mm. Also, with the betterscanning wet/dry mounting station you can scan to include the film edge to edge, including the rebate markings (if you dry mount, you'll see the tape, if you wet mount, you won't).
If you are happy with the sharpness edge to edge, I'd have to say its not worth it. But perhaps you won't know until you try it.
Hi Stone,
It's simple. Get the Betterscanning Universal Mounting Station, with the dry mounting option (that is basically the same product but with ANR glass). Get enough black masking sheets for all your formats (they are basically just thin but heavy black paper - you cut out an opening for your film yourself. The company provides printable templates for a variety of common formats.
The difference between this and the Epson mounting tray is that with the Epson, you mount the film *above* the glass - meaning the scanner has to look through an additional sheet of glass to scan the film. Bad idea, no way this is going to improve sharpness. With the betterscanning mount, you mount under the glass, so the film is scanned with no interference from the mount.
I suggest sending an email to Doug Fischer (doug@betterscanning.com). His is a tiny company, he generally builds your product to order. He provides great support, directly. I'm surprised he hasn't jumped into this discussion yet, he participates in several of the forums.
Just to let you know... we are listening.... keep talking!
I've lost interest in this phantom scanner. If it shows up with the performance and features I need, I may reconsider.
Perhaps I should clarify.
For a proper film scanner that would do 4x5 I'm not sure I would need 4000dpi. Even 2500-3000 should be enough. The main point is that a decent sized sensor is used and that good optics focus the film without glass in between.
Of course, sensor, colour filter array and A/D electronics remain the big unknown with the Plustek. I assume they are to a high standard. When I compare scans made with my cheaper scanners to 9000 scans the thing that leaps out even in web size is the quality of colour and linearity of tone. I have a cheap Scan Dual IV 35mm scanner. It holds the film flat and scans SHARP but the colours are terrible and it is incapable of rendering a smooth gradient because the linearity of the tiny sensor is so poor. This is most evident in negative scanning where the contrast curves are modified and expanded so much.
So I think I would be happier with a unit based on the same building blocks. Perhaps the same sensor with a wider carrier and a wider field lens. Of course it would be silly not to make this scanner in such a way that it could not accommodate the smaller formats as well. However, as you say, it would probably not be able to offer the same resolution. In the end, however, usable resolution is much more a function of good optics than sensor dots. Better a 4000dpi Coolscan that resolves 3900dpi than a 6400dpi V750 that resolves 2400dpi. Extra dots with no information is just wasted space on my hard drive...
Sam
I've lost interest in this phantom scanner. If it shows up with the performance and features I need, I may reconsider.
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