New here - big Daido Moriyama fan

hudson · Sep 22, 2015

Hello everyone. I'm a big Daido Moriyama fan...especially Shashin yo Sayonara (Farewell Photography)...very impressed by that book. I like other photographers as well...Robert Frank, William Klein (only his first book), and on and on.

I put an example photo here:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Anyway, new to film, although I remember the days of two hour photos! Having fun...have a Spotmatic and also some Minolta stuff.

Richard S. (rich815) · Sep 22, 2015

Welcome!

hudson · Sep 22, 2015

Nice photos Richard S., I especially like the untitled tree (DSC07734 FFws)

4season · Sep 22, 2015

Welcome!

hudson · Sep 22, 2015

Ah wow...I'm not sure what to make of that!

Thanks

4season · Sep 22, 2015

Not him, just showing off my little camera...

hudson · Sep 23, 2015

That's pretty amazing. Nice camera...the famous stray dog image. Have you seen Bye Bye Photography? I had to go to the main library in Manhattan and see it on location in their art room. Also, I was able to borrow it via my little local library from Bard College. I think when people say digital is as good as film, they have no idea what they're talking about because of this book.

Richard S. (rich815) · Sep 23, 2015

I love Daido Moriyama's work and have a couple of his books. A year or two ago I attended a multi-day photogravure workshop taught my Uni San Martin at Smith Andersen North in San Anselmo, California. On the last day of the workshop, late when most other attendees had left, one of the printers was working on a job for Mr. Moriyama creating a series of photogravures of many of his works for a special exhibition he was going to be doing. The tables around the large print roller were practically littered with proof prints and final works, etc. I was drooling (well, not really) as I pored over the Moriyama works that lay willy-nilly all around me. A wonderful and unique experience I was lucky to witness.

Richard S. (rich815) · Sep 23, 2015

hudson said:
Nice photos Richard S., I especially like the untitled tree (DSC07734 FFws)

Thanks Hudson. Ironic you like one of my few digital works I post there on Flickr!

Richard S. (rich815) · Sep 23, 2015

A dog photo I captured that later I thought sort of had a "Daido Moriyama" look to it. Ha ha....

Daido dog, Fuji Klasse-S, Ilford HP5+, D-76 by Richard Sintchak, on Flickr

4season · Sep 23, 2015

hudson said:
Have you seen Bye Bye Photography?

Not yet--you know how it goes: Stuff goes out of print, and the price of existing copies soars. Maybe if I'm feeling extravagant one day I will pick up The Japanese Box :w00t: Kind of doubt I will be able to see much of this stuff via my public library system.

Books Kinokuniya usually seems to have a few books by Moriyama and Araki on their shelves: I'll peruse the San Francisco store when I'm there later this year.

Have you seen the videos posted on Youtube? There's at least one full-length documentary about Moriyama there.

Coolpix? (as of 2012):
http://filmphotographyschool.com/what-camera-does-daido-moriyama-use/

hudson · Sep 23, 2015

For over a year I've had the video Daido Moriyama: Stray Dog of Tokyo and haven't watched it...not sure why. I was able to see Shashin yo Sayonara / Bye, Bye Photography first onsite at the main research library in NYC and then, quite a coup I thought, through an interlibrary loan from Bard college to a tiny library in the country and I was able to have it for a month. That and Japanese Photobooks of the 1960s and 70s which is actually a really good book to put everything in context. I think what I take most from Moriyama is the urge to blowout my highlights and push up the dark values. I'm really starting to like the Daido camera, BTW!

Richard, nice stray dog photo...but it looks too friendly! I'm attaching my very favorite dog photo by Josef Koudelka. Some images really impact you and this one has stayed in my mind for a long time. I shouldn't of started picking favorites on your photos. I like what you do with the horizontal planes...reminds me of Rothko. If I was to pick another it would be the Marin Headlands FujiGA645, which is super nice.

Since I'm getting back into film, can anyone explain to me what film type and ISO settings Moriyama used? I think it was 1600 film shot at 100 ISO, or something like that...I'm thinking of trying it out.

David Allen · Sep 24, 2015

Since I'm getting back into film, can anyone explain to me what film type and ISO settings Moriyama used? I think it was 1600 film shot at 100 ISO, or something like that...I'm thinking of trying it out.

Having watched a number of videos of Moriyama and followed his work for a long term his main approach (using both half-frame and full-frame cameras) was to use Tri-X exposed at EI 1600 and push processed in D-76.

However, the real key to his 'look' is his printing. He often refers to the fact that even he can't match earlier prints. Certainly in one of the longer documentaries it is clear that he was (well at the time the film was made anyway) printing on high contrast fixed grade bromide paper with extensive burning and dodging.

If you look at the work of Anders Petersen (6 years younger than Moriyama):

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you will find that he works in a similar way and uses a similar technical approach.

Bests,

David.
www.dsallen.de

fotch · Sep 24, 2015

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hudson · Sep 24, 2015

thanks DSAllen. I have a few questions. Start with Tri-X 400. Set ISO on camera to 1600 (two stops up). What types of lighting conditions would this work for? I read he was shooting 1600 in both day and night. I'm using a photo lab, so I'd ask them to pull two stops down and should I specify D-76 and then request printing on high contrast paper? I also read an interview where Moriyama explained he thought the printing process was as important as the photography.

BTW, a few years ago I borrowed a wonderful book of Anders Petersen from the library. It's the one where he spent a few months or a year in a rundown bar. I was very impressed by the amount of effort he put into it and how close he got to his subjects...really something that is not very common.

papagene · Sep 24, 2015

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MrBrowning · Sep 24, 2015

hudson said:
thanks DSAllen. I have a few questions. Start with Tri-X 400. Set ISO on camera to 1600 (two stops up). What types of lighting conditions would this work for? I read he was shooting 1600 in both day and night. I'm using a photo lab, so I'd ask them to pull two stops down and should I specify D-76 and then request printing on high contrast paper? I also read an interview where Moriyama explained he thought the printing process was as important as the photography.

BTW, a few years ago I borrowed a wonderful book of Anders Petersen from the library. It's the one where he spent a few months or a year in a rundown bar. I was very impressed by the amount of effort he put into it and how close he got to his subjects...really something that is not very common.

You'd ask them to push the film 2 stops not pull it.

hudson · Sep 25, 2015

Hi MrBrowning,

Ok, so go two stops up on the exposure and push two stops on the development, thanks!

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