New films shown at ICIS by Fuji and Kodak

r-s · Jun 27, 2006

PS: It shouldn't be too hard to buy one of those cameras and pilfer the film out of it if you wanted to check it out in a "real" camera. You'd obviously be paying a premium for it (you'd be buying the camera as well as the film), and, you'd need to do some darkroom (or changing bag) work, since the film in those throwaway cameras is pulled out at assembly, and wound into the cassette as each frame is exposed.

arigram · Jun 27, 2006

Too bad, I could really make use of the high speed Kodak film...

dslater · Oct 11, 2007

I just sent my request. I sure hope EK continues with this. PE just one question, for a thermal developed film like this, is there any way to expand or contract the contrast of the film to get N- or N+ processing? If not, how contrasty is this film?

Thanks,

Dan

Photo Engineer · Oct 11, 2007

Dan;

You are over a year too late. There is a rather lengthy series of thread on this along with the answer from Kodak.

PE

dslater · Oct 11, 2007

Photo Engineer said:
Dan;

You are over a year too late. There is a rather lengthy series of thread on this along with the answer from Kodak.

PE

Grrr - I had no idea this thread was so old. I got to it from a link at shutterbug.net - and I think I got to some older version of it - when I replied, the thread was only 2 pages long.
Dan

Tim Gray · Oct 12, 2007

It's a real shame too. As a person with very little means at the moment, I would still find a way and totally purchase a large amount of this film just to try it out and encourage bringing new products to the market place. I remember when this thread popped up over a year ago - by the time I had found it and expressed interest, it was already too late. A shame too.

Think of the possibilities. I'm sure if some kind of concerted effort was made to contact potential users about this, the response would have been larger and more positive.

Photo Engineer · Oct 12, 2007

The response, AFAIK, was large and positive. The problems and cost for Kodak were also large. They were unable to do this in view of a shrinking market which went from about $20B about 10 years ago to about $1B this year.

Perhaps the budget forced a choice between this route and upgrading the other existing products. See the current threads on these new items.

PE

ajuk · Jul 12, 2008

Is their any source for this films existence outside of this thread?

Photo Engineer · Jul 12, 2008

Yes, of course, if you mean documentation.

It is in the proceedings of the International Congress of photography for May 2006 held in Rochester. The presentation shows examples including photographs.

PE

RobC · Jul 12, 2008

anyone got a camera or lightmeter which they can set to 24000 film speed?

Photo Engineer · Jul 12, 2008

Paul Gilman has one.

I might also refer Ajuk to the patent which has now issued.

PE

Mick Fagan · Jul 12, 2008

My Gossen Profisix has an ASA indicating range of .8 to 100,000 ASA which is 0 DIN to 51 DIN.

The Gossen Mastersix, which is a digital and slightly later version of the Profisix, indicating range of 1 DIN to 60 DIN which is 1 to 800,000 ASA.

I would have to read up on just how one can extrapolate (I assume) to these figures, but as both of my instruction manuals for these books are in German, it takes me a bit of heavy concentrated effort to do so. It's the penalty I pay for buying these meters in Germany at half the price of Australian shops.

Mick.

MattKing · Jul 12, 2008

Mick Fagan said:
My Gossen Profisix has an ASA indicating range of .8 to 100,000 ASA which is 0 DIN to 51 DIN.

The Gossen Mastersix, which is a digital and slightly later version of the Profisix, indicating range of 1 DIN to 60 DIN which is 1 to 800,000 ASA.

I would have to read up on just how one can extrapolate (I assume) to these figures, but as both of my instruction manuals for these books are in German, it takes me a bit of heavy concentrated effort to do so. It's the penalty I pay for buying these meters in Germany at half the price of Australian shops.

Mick.

Mick:

A little bit of relief :

http://www.gossen-photo.de/pdf/ba_profisix_e.pdf

and, for more manuals, including the Mastersix:

http://www.gossen-photo.de/english/foto_sammler.html

Matt

P.S. - they can be found under the "Collectors" section on Gossen's website.

ajuk · Jul 13, 2008

Photo Engineer said:
Yes, of course, if you mean documentation.

It is in the proceedings of the International Congress of photography for May 2006 held in Rochester. The presentation shows examples including photographs.

PE

Any thing on the internet?

Photo Engineer · Jul 13, 2008

ajuk said:
Any thing on the internet?

Yes, here!

Paul specifically asked me to put up this thread and the post with the note to send to Kodak. That is it. Unless you consider that the patent is available on-line on the internet.

PE

2F/2F · Jul 13, 2008

I could get quite a lot of use out of a true 24,000-speed film. I am interested.

I have already shot 400X, and it is amazing all right. I have not bought it in any quantity, because I still have some Provia 400 that I need to polish off.

Yes, it's a shame no sheets sizes in 400-speed transparency film. It would be my ideal color film for almost everything I shoot in sheet sizes. I use 400NC now, as it is my only choice for ISO 400 in color, but I really do not like it very much, and I think transparencies give you so much more control. 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10 would be a good start. Then, after we here at APUG wow them with our buying power (HA!), they will introduce larger formats.

I would also like a super-speed transparency film (again). A color equivalent of Delta 1000. 1000 speed, flat, grainy, incredibly pushable.

Oren Grad · Jul 13, 2008

Go here...

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html

...and search for these patents:

7,183,024 High-speed positive-working photothermographic system

7,198,889 High-speed positive-working photothermographic system comprising an accelerating agent

7,214,464 High speed positive-working photothermographic radiographic film

Soeren · Jul 13, 2008

Is it just me or is this thread two years old now?
Kind regards

Photo Engineer · Jul 13, 2008

Soeren said:
Is it just me or is this thread two years old now?
Kind regards

Yeah, I thought it was dead after the Kodak response.

Now Ajuk wants other sources and Oren gives away all of the secret stuff.

PE

Oren Grad · Jul 13, 2008

Photo Engineer said:
Yeah, I thought it was dead after the Kodak response.Now Ajuk wants other sources and Oren gives away all of the secret stuff.

Sometimes the best place to hide a secret is in open view, because nobody thinks to look there...

2F/2F · Jul 13, 2008

Did not realize it was 2 years old! Ha!

New films shown at ICIS by Fuji and Kodak

Moderator

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency