New book by Chris Jordan - In Katrina's Wake

tim atherton · Jul 18, 2006

I note there is a new book due out by LF photographer Chris Jordan

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15...5483/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-6915131-4717560?ie=UTF8

http://tinyurl.com/emewj

looks good. (but please don't get your knickers in a knot because he's an analogue-digital hybrid photographer - he still buys a hell of a lot of film!)

david b · Jul 18, 2006

I think Sam Portera's photos are better and that he deserves a book.

tim atherton · Jul 18, 2006

where's his stuff?

BTW I don't think anyone "deserves" a book - you go out and get one - hustle man... hustle. It's damned hard work

Jorge · Jul 18, 2006

WHat Tim means is that Jordan buys film but makes big ink jet prints. He once wrote that if you took an 8x10 portion of his 6 foot prints that this portion was as sharp as a contact print.....you be the judge if this is something the analog community wants to support... of course this is once more a post made by Tim so we should not be surprised about the duplicty.

david b · Jul 18, 2006

Tim, have a look in the galleries for Sam's work. His APUG ID is "sportera" and he does deserve a book.

Not only has Sam put blood, sweat, and tears in this body of work, but he lived through Katrina and lost everything. He still lives there and actually has to spend a lot of time away from his family because his work is now outside of NOLA.

He deserves a book. Plain and simple.

jimcollum · Jul 18, 2006

Jorge said:
WHat Tim means is that Jordan buys film but makes big ink jet prints. He once wrote that if you took an 8x10 portion of his 6 foot prints that this portion was as sharp as a contact print.....you be the judge if this is something the analog community wants to support... of course this is once more a post made by Tim so we should not be surprised about the duplicty.

so if there's any digital in the workflow, that should remove a photographer from support in this community? film capture, digital output is a bad thing? also digital capture, analog output? just looking for clarification

jim

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david b said:
Tim, have a look in the galleries for Sam's work. His APUG ID is "sportera" and he does deserve a book.

Not only has Sam put blood, sweat, and tears in this body of work, but he lived through Katrina and lost everything. He still lives there and actually has to spend a lot of time away from his family because his work is now outside of NOLA.

He deserves a book. Plain and simple.

EXACTLY !

c6h6o3 · Jul 18, 2006

Jorge said:
WHat Tim means is that Jordan buys film but makes big ink jet prints. He once wrote that if you took an 8x10 portion of his 6 foot prints that this portion was as sharp as a contact print.....you be the judge if this is something the analog community wants to support... of course this is once more a post made by Tim so we should not be surprised about the duplicty.

His Katrina pictures are small, and if I'm not mistaken, Ilfochromes. Maybe Chris is realizing, as are so many of us, where his true loyalties lie?

tim atherton · Jul 18, 2006

david b said:
He deserves a book. Plain and simple.

No doubt they are really good - in which case they need to be somewhere other than tucked away on APUG. And if he's struggling because of Katrina imo that's where this kind of networking should kick in

MurrayMinchin · Jul 18, 2006

tim atherton said:
No doubt they are really good - in which case they need to be somewhere other than tucked away on APUG. And if he's struggling because of Katrina imo that's where this kind of networking should kick in

One of the highlights of being an APUG subscriber, for me, has been witnessing the growing body of work by sportera. He didn't fly in for a couple weeks or months of Gatling gun Katrina photography...he lives there and has been taking us along with him to some deeply personal places.

Maybe you should subscribe, and then you can watch history unfold as well.

Murray

tim atherton · Jul 18, 2006

The Debris is the nicest stuff. Some of the colour work would be helped by an editor

And he seems to be doing fine on his own - if he's hungry enough he will get it published.

He didn't fly in for a couple weeks or months of Gatling gun Katrina photography...he lives there and has been taking us along with him to some deeply personal places. neither approach guarantees good (or bad) work - we need to see all this stuff we can. One thing photography can and should do is be able to show what a complete pigs ear the place still is (the polite version of the way my friends from NO describe it..) and that it should have been back on its feet months ago.

Sportera · Jul 18, 2006

No excuses, Tim, I think I'm "hungry" enough but circumstances and the well being of my family has to come first.

I do not wish to explain my/our entire situation but suffice it to say my plate is full.

The book will happen or it won't. I have to focus on the buissiness of recovery, and finding a home for my family.

I will continue, however.

tim atherton · Jul 19, 2006

Sportera said:
No excuses, Tim, I think I'm "hungry" enough but circumstances and the well being of my family has to come first.

I do not wish to explain my/our entire situation but suffice it to say my plate is full.

The book will happen or it won't. I have to focus on the buissiness of recovery, and finding a home for my family.

I will continue, however.

understandable... to say the least

"Debris" a really rather nice. I would hope there was also enough by way of expertise and contacts on this list to nudge things in the right direction a bit

(I'm working with a small consortium right now to build up a photo book imprint - of course most are also off pursuing a dozen other things as well. If we ever get past our initial test book I'll keep your work at the back of my mind - but don't hold your breath!) And if you're interested, I'll keep it in mind when I'm talking to photo editors?

BWKate · Jul 19, 2006

Chris Jordan's images of the aftermath of Katrina are okay but Sam Portera's photographs are incredibly moving, hauntingly beautiful, and poignant!

I'm sure when Sam is ready to publish he will. When he does alot of apug people will be lining up to support Sam. We already do and when the time comes we will buy his book! I'm pretty sure Sam knows we're rooting for him and if he needs help there are lots of people ready to step in if he asks.

David A. Goldfarb · Jul 19, 2006

They're both valid projects, quite different.

Chris Jordan's project covers a rather limited time period and it presents an outsider's perspective, so his book is possible at this point.

Sam Portera's project seems still to be in progress, and I think it will take a longer and more personal view. I wouldn't even expect a book from Sam until people are moved out of their FEMA trailers and into homes of their own.

david b · Jul 19, 2006

Hey Tim, since you are rather chummy with Chris, I think you should give him the link to Sam's work.

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MurrayMinchin · Jul 19, 2006

I think tim atherton is getting only half the story by visiting Sam's website.

As subscribers we see more images here on APUG than Sam has on his website, and we get to read his descriptions of the scenes photographed. Learning how many of these places and objects were of deep, personal importance to him before Katrina struck, allows me to share in his loss on a deeper level than if I saw only the images.

Murray

noseoil · Jul 19, 2006

Murray has brought up an interesting point, and one nice benefit our small community offers. Sam's images have a strength of their own, but to hear and see what was happening brings another dimension to the two dimensions of paper.

It is like looking at Cheryl's images of the infant who passed away shortly after birth. To read about her turmoil and inner conflict prior to the shots, then see the work as it unfolded was a very moving experience for me. For those who may be too new for this exchange and the subsequent pictures, please take a couple of minutes to read the below thread, then look at the image. This is what can be missing by simply viewing an image, no matter how good it is. I still get a lump in my throat from this one. Best to all, tim

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MurrayMinchin · Jul 19, 2006

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tim atherton · Jul 19, 2006

David A. Goldfarb said:
They're both valid projects, quite different.

Chris Jordan's project covers a rather limited time period and it presents an outsider's perspective, so his book is possible at this point.

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my point exactly - they are both good, equally valid and quite different projects

Sportera · Jul 19, 2006

Don't worry tim, I won't "hold my breath" a lesson well learned from FEMA and the Louisiana Recovery Authority. No one "holds their breath" for much any more down here.

roteague · Jul 19, 2006

jimcollum said:
so if there's any digital in the workflow, that should remove a photographer from support in this community? film capture, digital output is a bad thing? also digital capture, analog output? just looking for clarification

jim

That is the general consensus.

tim atherton · Jul 19, 2006

roteague said:
That is the general consensus.

or more correctly, it's your opinion- there being a sub forum to enable such discussion, recognising that it is indeed a grey area

david b · Jul 19, 2006

To quote the front page:
"APUG.ORG is an international community of like minded individuals devoted to traditional (non-digital) photographic processes. "

This is not my opinion, just the foundation that APUG was built on. This has nothing to do with whether or not digital is awesome or if it sucks. APUG is about traditional photographic processes. Plain and simple.

jimcollum · Jul 19, 2006

roteague said:
That is the general consensus.

that's going to start making it tougher on color printers. scanning and lightjet output is definitely a digital workflow. Very few labs offer enlarged Ciba services anymore.

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