Thanks for the link. Converting the price in euros to pounds sterling (GBP) it looks to be very competitively priced
pentaxuser
Looks like the wheel is rolling, we've got a hint about the price per film and for 10 canisters...
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme-...lvermax-bw-film-with-high-silver-content.html
Would you look at that!
Compare that spectral sensitivity to the APX 100 and Scala. It's EXACTLY the same.
Would you look at that!
Compare that spectral sensitivity to the APX 100 and Scala. It's EXACTLY the same.
I just wish 120 was in the offering.
I just wish 120 was in the offering.
The term is in reference to the fact that the film is a traditional emulsion and not a tabular grain (eg Delta, Tmax). Why shouldn't a company advertise the type of film it is? I don't believe there are many 100 ISO traditional (aka silver rich aka cubic) films left; Efke KB100/ADOX CHS 100 just ended its run. I believe Foma, Kentmere and Lucky make a traditional 100. I don't believe Neopan 100 SS is around (least here in the States I don't see it). I look forward to trying the film out but don't understand why one needs to call a company's language choice cringe worthy when the term is in ref to its nature that some might be interested in (traditional grain). I don't use tabular films and find the press release well done. I don't see any other film makers announcing an emulsion yet (hopefully Monday we hear more), so this is good news in my book.I am happy there is a new film coming out, but I cringe when I see the "silver-rich" marketing BS again.
The term is in reference to the fact that the film is a traditional emulsion and not a tabular grain (eg Delta, Tmax). Why shouldn't a company advertise the type of film it is? I don't believe there are many 100 ISO tabular (aka silver rich) films left; Efke KB100/ADOX CHS 100 just ended its run. I believe Foma, Kentmere and Lucky make a traditional 100. I don't believe Neopan 100 SS is around (least here in the States I don't see it). I look forward to trying the film out but don't understand why one needs to call a companie's language choice cringe worthy when the term is in ref to its nature that some might be interested in (traditional grain). I don't use tabular films and find the press release well done. I don't see any other film makers announcing an emulsion yet (hopefully Monday we hear more), so this is good news in my book.
The term is in reference to the fact that the film is a traditional emulsion and not a tabular grain (eg Delta, Tmax). Why shouldn't a company advertise the type of film it is? I don't believe there are many 100 ISO tabular (aka silver rich) films left; Efke KB100/ADOX CHS 100 just ended its run. I believe Foma, Kentmere and Lucky make a traditional 100. I don't believe Neopan 100 SS is around (least here in the States I don't see it). I look forward to trying the film out but don't understand why one needs to call a companie's language choice cringe worthy when the term is in ref to its nature that some might be interested in (traditional grain). I don't use tabular films and find the press release well done. I don't see any other film makers announcing an emulsion yet (hopefully Monday we hear more), so this is good news in my book.
I'm with you, Andy. I have never embraced T-grain films either. Nothing against them, but I just haven't worked with them much.
You need to edit your post above. You said " I don't believe there are many 100 ISO tabular (aka silver rich) films left; ..." Did you mean cubic grained?
I look forward to trying the film out but don't understand why one needs to call a company's language choice cringe worthy when the term is in ref to its nature that some might be interested in (traditional grain).
There is a limit to how much silver you can put into an emulsion without losing the excess straight into the fixer with no apparent effect..
I think Adox guys picked up the "silver rich" concept because their clients used to buy Adox films because Efke's old emulsions were said to be rich in silver. So it's sort of preaching to the converted.
I just don't understand why they seem to have copied APX's spectral sensitivity chart. Is that another marketing ploy or just shooting from the hip?
Because it is marketing fluff that leads you into thinking there is some inherently good thing that the film is silver rich. That is only a part of the equation. There is a limit to how much silver you can put into an emulsion without losing the excess straight into the fixer with no apparent effect.
I guess the term may be "silver rich" in relation to the t-grain films but it is worded in such a way that it sounds like something otherworldly, while Silvermax is in fact in the ballpark of film technology such as Kentmere, Ilfords FP4/HP5 or any sort of traditional film. Of course I cannot say anything about its qualities, and it may well be a very good film. I sincerely hope so, and I would like Mirko and the crew to succeed - we all would benefit from diversity. Now that I have said all this, I am going to have to buy it and try it.
I think it would be better to highlight the fact that it is a newly made film, that it is made in new facilities in Bad Saarow, that they are going to continue to support it, that it is possible to do slides with it, etc. Just that - and show us some real world examples. Get it out there, send off a pack or two to some good photographers, let them show what you can do with it. I guess that counts more than any amount of silver.
I'm afraid ADOX does not even use "silver rich" in the way you say (as a synonymous of "not-tabular"). Look:I find it inappropriate for folks (Michel Hardy-Vallée, Jerevan, et al) to be disparaging a manufacturer for using a term that commonly understood to us analog photographers. Silver rich is used to describe an emulsion that is traditional/cubic/not-tabular. It is not marketing BS or a gimmick as some have suggested.
So given all that has been said, yes I maintain that "silver rich" is a misnomer, and a gimmick. As a matter of fact, Efke films (i.e. the old ADOX films), which used to be called "silver rich" were the first thin-emulsion films, so they were actually silver-POOR, compared to the previous generations of films, a.k.a. thick emulsion films. Please quote your reference for the so-called "common knowledge" that silver-rich means "cubic."SILVERMAX has an increased silver-content compared to regular films. This enables him to built up more DMAX and reproduce up to 14 zones in our dedicated SILVERMAX Developer.This way SILVERMAX catches it all for you: brightest highlights and deepest shadows.
http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX Films/Premium/SILVERMAX/SMAX_index.html
I'm afraid ADOX does not even use "silver rich" in the way you say (as a synonymous of "not-tabular"). Look: So given all that has been said, yes I maintain that "silver rich" is a misnomer, and a gimmick. As a matter of fact, Efke films (i.e. the old ADOX films), which used to be called "silver rich" were the first thin-emulsion films, so they were actually silver-POOR, compared to the previous generations of films, a.k.a. thick emulsion films. Please quote your reference for the so-called "common knowledge" that silver-rich means "cubic."
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