new agfa apx film compared to old

Hi friends i really love the agfa apx 100 and 400 film, do you have compared the old agfa film with the newest?

some people told me that the original apx is the ADOX SILVERMAX.

danzyc said:

Hi friends i really love the agfa apx 100 and 400 film, do you have compared the old agfa film with the newest?

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They are different films.

some people told me that the original apx is the ADOX SILVERMAX.

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Trust them.

do you confirm that? i m searching on ebay old agfapan 100, but if the silvermaxx is the same...i will buy them all!

There is an easy test: "Real" APX 100 gives a deep purple solution if you add Rodinal in working strength. "New APX" gives a clear solution.

some people told me that the original apx is the ADOX SILVERMAX.

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Trust them.

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do you confirm that?

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Come on... This is an Internet forum, you know...

danzyc said:

do you confirm that? i m searching on ebay old agfapan 100, but if the silvermaxx is the same...i will buy them all!

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Silvermax entspricht einer APX 100 Rezeptur mit etwas feinerem Korn, etwas geringerer Empfindlichkeit und höherem Silberauftrag

Source:

http://www.adox.de/Photo/adox-filme-2/adox-silvermax/

Silvermax entspricht einer APX 100 Rezeptur mit etwas feinerem Korn, etwas geringerer Empfindlichkeit und höherem Silberauftrag

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Google translate:
Silvermax corresponds to an APX 100 formulation with slightly finer grain, slightly lower sensitivity and higher silver application
The usual semi-vague language "corresponds to an APX 100 formulation", enough to feed hopes, and create "internet facts" that will gain further "truth" as they are repeated across forums.
Robert Vonk, manager of Fotohuis, has professional contacts with the actual suppliers of film, and should know better. See his post in:
http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00bCFH
and his other post in:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/187474-adox-silvermax/page-3#entry2122362
See in that thread the reaction of some forum members in disbelief of the simple truth.

The same kind of commercial language, crafted to feed the hopes (and purchases) of enthusiasts, exists around so-called "Rollei" films, rebranded stock from various origins (Kentmere, Agfa Aviphot, etc...).

bernard_L said:

Robert Vonk, manager of Fotohuis, has professional contacts with the actual suppliers of film, and should know better.

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Strange logic.

bernard_L said:

Google translate:
Silvermax corresponds to an APX 100 formulation with slightly finer grain, slightly lower sensitivity and higher silver application
The usual semi-vague language "corresponds to an APX 100 formulation", enough to feed hopes, and create "internet facts" that will gain further "truth" as they are repeated across forums.
Robert Vonk, manager of Fotohuis, has professional contacts with the actual suppliers of film, and should know better. See his post in:
http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00bCFH
and his other post in:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/187474-adox-silvermax/page-3#entry2122362
See in that thread the reaction of some forum members in disbelief of the simple truth.

The same kind of commercial language, crafted to feed the hopes (and purchases) of enthusiasts, exists around so-called "Rollei" films, rebranded stock from various origins (Kentmere, Agfa Aviphot, etc...).

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Or maybe Vonk is incorrect and it is essentially the APX-100 formula, but with a slightly different set of sensitising dyes - my own feeling having used both in close succession is that Silvermax is slightly less red sensitive.
Furthermore, I used some of the last available stock of Scala 200x at the same time as the Silvermax and the age difference between the emulsions when reversal processed was as clear as day - one was freshly made & the other getting very long in the tooth. Silvermax is almost certainly made and coated (on leftover Scala base material) by InovisCoat - don't forget that 135 base is thicker than 120 base, thus if using NOS base material that's available only in 135 spec, there's not going to be a 120. Vonk's claims about needing a special developer are self-evident nonsense - it'll develop perfectly normally in the usual suspects.

The RPX films and the Kentmere films share commonalities & I suspect production/ coating facilities - The Kentmere films seem to me to almost feel like Agfapan adapted to Ilford's procedures - different in some subtle & not so subtle ways, but the fundamentals seem oddly similar.

Thanks for this Lachlan.

bernard_L said:

Robert Vonk, manager of Fotohuis, has professional contacts with the actual suppliers of film, and should know better.

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If you take care in reading his posts on Flickr and elsewhere you'll know he is biased against Adox. It is a long story.
But, whenever one talks Foma, what he says is right. He is a Foma distributor.