My first gothic/alternative shoot or have you had this happen to your film?

[KPT]

KPT

why don't you bring your "gripes" about your film to freestyle instead of airing your problems here?

you mention efke ...
efke is not kodak or ilford ... when you buy film that is not "1st tier" there are QC issues from time to time.
efke film has a soft emulsion and scratches easily. if i scratch my film when i process it, i don't get upset with freestyle
for selling me film that scratches easily --- i realize i paid 35-50 dollars for
100 sheets instead of close to 100$ for 100 sheets of ilford or kodak
and old equipment and old emulsion formulas don't give the same results as state of the art manufacturing ...

i use outdated film all the time, pro film, consumer film, color and black and white, sometimes 20+ years expired
and i have never had spots on my negatives because of poor / warm storage. my film sits on a shelf in my studio
and has for years, and sometimes in a hot golve box for months at a time ( the whole summer ) ...

you stored tempermental IR film in an entertainment center ( stereo / av console )?
electrical equipment can give off a lot of heat and an entertainment center
can trap the heat --- sometimes 90º+ of heat ...


could the problems with YOUR film have been poor storage and poor technique?
you do state in your PNet thread that you are a begginer and dont follow proper developing rules or conditions ...
poor processing and film that has been slow cooking with av equipment might give strange results
a bad batch could give bad results as well.

if a lot of people had similar results with the same film purchased at the same place, maybe this should have been
brought up with the store you bought it at, instead of on internet forums.

I didnt bring any gripe into the forum if you read it. When the OP posted his shot with the spots i posted a shot i had with the same issue. After i posted it someone else tried to attack me on the subject because i stated that i felt i received the film in that condition for the supplier. The person that was trying to come after me is the person who said my issue was air bubbles in the photo.net forum and is upset that i disagreed with his opinion so he now is using the excuse that he is only sticking up for the supplier and being a loyal customer. After he stated his loyalty to the supplier and there is no way they would do that then i went into issues i had in the past with them. My post was is no way an attack on the supplier, but a response to someone who was using the supplier as an excuse to come after me because i didnt agree with him. If you read the post from the start you will see what im talking about. When i developed the rolls with the issue i was a beginner but i wish someone could tell me what i did wrong. When i mentioned in the post about not following proper rules this is what i was talking about. I used a slop sink in my basement-I didnt have a tub to keep the temp at a perfect 68c and i used to hide under the covers to load my film. Since then i have built my own darkroom, i have 4 enlargers and a dedicated chest freezer for my film. When i first started i would put my film on a shelf in a wall unit that i guess you would call an entertainment center. Its apx 15 feet wide with a large shelf unit on each side that contains cd's and my cameras. There is no electroincs to cook the film. The film was there with 20 others rolls for about 30 days, i dont think 30 days at apx 70f could cause the fungus unless Hie is that sensitive. I just made a comment to the OP about this issue i had and what i thought was the cause. If you read again from the start you will see that i was attacked for no reason from the person whom i disagreed with on the other site, they seem to be unable to get over the fact that i disagree with them. I dont pretend to have a vast knowledge on photography and think that i know more than anyone because i dont! Im sorry to have went on so long here but it if you read my post and then read his you will see it makes no sence for him to attack me like that, the reason he did is because he is from the other site and dosnt want to admit it so he uses the excuse that hes upset that i accused to supplier, does that make any sense? I respect and listen to everyones opinion but i dosnt mean that i have to agree just because they have more knowledge! If you think that the issues with my negatives is my fault because the film was left on a shelf for 30 day prior to me using it then i would say, why were the other rolls fine and why did this only happen to the 2 rolls i bought from the supplier? All rolls prior to - between and after were fine. If you are ever in Chicago i can show you my books of negative from the first roll i developed until today and there is not one single air bubble in any of them. I would like your feedback on what you think i did wrong with these 2 rolls of film.

 

[removed account4]

hi kpt

i did read the thread from the beginning several times before
i actually wrote what i wrote.

sometimes it is best not to
respond to people that bait you, or just put them on your ignore list
if you have trouble with them ( or have had trouble with them in the past )
there is a little button that says "ignore user" at the bottom right of every post,
it might make your apug experience that much nicer ...

i have never worked with
ir film, so i don't really have experience other than what i read ...

did you use stop bath with you film ?
some suggest black spots can be caused by using stop bath instead of water ...

 

[2F/2F]

"I didnt bring any gripe into the forum if you read it.

"After i posted it someone else tried to attack me on the subject because i stated that i felt i received the film in that condition for the supplier."

I blame Freestyle for the way it was stored is what you said. Freestyle is NOT a supplier! What don't you understand about it? They are a RETAILER. Kodak is the supplier.

"The person that was trying to come after me is the person who said my issue was air bubbles in the photo.net forum and is upset that i disagreed with his opinion"

Er, no...I am not any of the people who said that's what it might be. Another ridiculous assumption stated as fact. Nor do you seem to grasp what I am upset about.

"My post was is no way an attack on the supplier, but a response to someone who was using the supplier as an excuse to come after me because i didnt agree with him."

You are speaking like Sarah Palin here. What was that again, in complete, intelligible English sentences? You blamed Freestyle for the way they stored the film. THAT is what I am attacking you about, and that's it. This is not an issue of me really caring what I think caused your problems. This is an issue of you making ill-founded claims against a retailer who handled the material far better than you did, who in no way could have caused the problem, and who, despite all this this, would have been glad to offer you a replacement roll with no questions asked.

"I just made a comment to the OP about this issue i had and what i thought was the cause."

No; you blamed Freestyle using nothing but a short sentence, without reasonable cause based on what was learned in the Photo.net post.

"If you read again from the start you will see that i was attacked for no reason from the person whom i disagreed with on the other site, they seem to be unable to get over the fact that i disagree with them."

Yet again, you are stating incorrect facts. I remember the post because of your problem, photographs, attitude, English skills, thick head, and lack of reasoning ability, not because I posted there that I thought it was air bubbles. Your manner of writing and reasoning are very unique, and thus made the connection apparent. The fact that I made the connection does not mean that I have some bone to pick. Why on Earth would I care if an Internet troll wants to agree or disagree as to what caused his film problems nearly a year ago? What I do care about is a dumb punk attempting to blame his problems on a fine retailer that would have served you well in dealing your complaints, even though the problem was not their's, but Kodak's or yours. Like I said, you don't spit at the fruit vendor because the apple has a worm in it, do you?

"Im sorry to have went on so long here but it if you read my post and then read his you will see it makes no sence for him to attack me like that, the reason he did is because he is from the other site and dosnt want to admit it so he uses the excuse that hes upset that i accused to supplier, does that make any sense?"

Yeah; it makes a lot of sense to rebut ill-founded bull$#!^ that is posted against decent people or companies. Please, enlighten us as to who the hell I am... You keep spouting assumed b.s. as totally incorrect fact. Don't you understand what this is really about? It is not about your stinkin' film! What I said was (and this is my second time reposting it) that the folks on Photo.net pretty much concluded it was air bubbles or stuff on your film. Nowhere do I state that "air bubbles caused the problem", nor do I even try to solve your problem. I am attacking your reasoning, and your ignorant assumptions being stated as fact. At no time have I told you what I think caused your problem. How you got from the information you gained on Photo.net to the soundbite I blame Freestyle for the way they stored the film is the issue.

"I respect and listen to everyones opinion but i dosnt mean that i have to agree just because they have more knowledge!"

I am not sharing an "opinion" or asking you to agree with me. I am asking you not to make ill-founded statements. Please look up "ill-founded" if you don't understand what I am getting at.

...and, for God's (and all of our) sake, learn to write the language at least somewhat intelligibly. It will at least make the consumption of your assedness more quick and pleasant.

 

[KPT]

"I didnt bring any gripe into the forum if you read it.

"After i posted it someone else tried to attack me on the subject because i stated that i felt i received the film in that condition for the supplier."

I blame Freestyle for the way it was stored is what you said. Freestyle is NOT a supplier! What don't you understand about it? They are a RETAILER. Kodak is the supplier.

"The person that was trying to come after me is the person who said my issue was air bubbles in the photo.net forum and is upset that i disagreed with his opinion"

Er, no...I am not any of the people who said that's what it might be. Another ridiculous assumption stated as fact. Nor do you seem to grasp what I am upset about.

"My post was is no way an attack on the supplier, but a response to someone who was using the supplier as an excuse to come after me because i didnt agree with him."

You are speaking like Sarah Palin here. What was that again, in complete, intelligible English sentences? You blamed Freestyle for the way they stored the film. THAT is what I am attacking you about, and that's it. This is not an issue of me really caring what I think caused your problems. This is an issue of you making ill-founded claims against a retailer who handled the material far better than you did, who in no way could have caused the problem, and who, despite all this this, would have been glad to offer you a replacement roll with no questions asked.

"I just made a comment to the OP about this issue i had and what i thought was the cause."

No; you blamed Freestyle, without reasonable cause based on what was learned in the Photo.net post.

"If you read again from the start you will see that i was attacked for no reason from the person whom i disagreed with on the other site, they seem to be unable to get over the fact that i disagree with them."

Yet again, you are stating incorrect facts. I remember the post because of your problem, photographs, attitude, English skills, thick head, and lack of reasoning ability, not because I posted there that I thought it was air bubbles. Your manner of writing and reasoning are very unique, and thus made the connection apparent. The fact that I made the connection does not mean that I have some bone to pick. Why on Earth would I care if an Internet troll wants to agree or disagree as to what caused his film problems nearly a year ago? What I do care about is a dumb punk attempting to blame his problems on a fine retailer that would have served you well in dealing your complaints, even though the problem was not their's, but Kodak's or yours. Like I said, you don't spit at the fruit vendor because the apple has a worm in it, do you?

"Im sorry to have went on so long here but it if you read my post and then read his you will see it makes no sence for him to attack me like that, the reason he did is because he is from the other site and dosnt want to admit it so he uses the excuse that hes upset that i accused to supplier, does that make any sense?"

Please, enlighten us as to who the hell I am... You keep spouting manufactured b.s. Don't you understand what this is really about? It is not about your stinkin' film! What I said was (and this is my second time reposting it) that the folks n Photo.net pretty much concluded it was air bubbles or stuff on your film. Nowhere do I state that "air bubbles caused the problem", not do I even try to solve your problem. I am attacking your reasoning and assumptions stated as fact. At no time have I told you what I think caused your problem. How you got from the information you gained on Photo.net to I blame Freestyle for the way they stored the film is the issue.

"I respect and listen to everyones opinion but i dosnt mean that i have to agree just because they have more knowledge!"

I am not sharing an "opinion" or asking you to agree with me. I am asking you not to make ill-founded statements. Please look up "ill-founded" if you don't understand what I am getting at.

Now that i have found out who you are i almost feel sorry for you! Whats next? Are you going to be outside my window? I think you would benefit from a good doctor and i hope you get the help you need.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Okay, folks, this doesn't have to be this contentious. Take the personal stuff offline, please.

 

[monkeykoder]

I was going to make a statement about this argument but I'll just say this outright personal attacks should be avoided it is fine to make a counterargument but after posts numbered #28 and 29 in this thread both of you have lost some face.

Now that i have found out who you are i almost feel sorry for you! Whats next? Are you going to be outside my window? I think you would benefit from a good doctor and i hope you get the help you need.

This however goes far beyond what 2F/2F did he went as far as to insult grammar which to a point is acceptable but this is an outright muckraker attack with no basis whatsoever. 2F/2F had some legitimate points based on what I read post #28 goes a little too far with the attack but you go forward to prove him beyond a shadow of a doubt to be right.

 

[monkeykoder]

Sorry to double post but as to the original topic the spots look very much like bacteria or mold grown in a petri (?sp) dish I would suspect that the film was stored fairly open to the air most likely in camera (I believe it was stated previously that this was the case). Our air is full of many kinds of bacteria/mold (some of which can produce some very tasty beverages).

 

[2F/2F]

I was going to make a statement about this argument but I'll just say this outright personal attacks should be avoided it is fine to make a counterargument but after posts numbered #28 and 29 in this thread both of you have lost some face.



This however goes far beyond what 2F/2F did he went as far as to insult grammar which to a point is acceptable but this is an outright muckraker attack with no basis whatsoever. 2F/2F had some legitimate points based on what I read post #28 goes a little too far with the attack but you go forward to prove him beyond a shadow of a doubt to be right.

Yeah...perhaps I have been watching a bit too much of British Parliament lately...LOVE those guys! Hilarious stuff.

I was in a foul humor and got too snippy. My basic points remain, however.