My first gothic/alternative shoot or have you had this happen to your film?

Andrey · Oct 14, 2008

I don't know if it's the lab to blame or is something wrong with the film. I'm 90% sure it's the film, because the lab can't just spray something on the negatives this consistently.

Here's what I got. I think it adds a nice "undead" aspect to portrait photography. lol

Maybe leprocy.

What do you think this is?

E76 · Oct 15, 2008

How old is the film? Was it stored in a humid environment? It looks like it could be fungus.

Frank Szabo · Oct 15, 2008

I agree with E86 - it looks like some kind of critter is munching on the gelatin.

railwayman3 · Oct 15, 2008

Has some kind of oil found its way onto the film or paper? Perhaps like spray from a can of WD-40 or similar lubricant?

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 15, 2008

Ouch! It looks like mold to me, too.

removed account4 · Oct 15, 2008

i kind of like it ... she looks like alt/goth meets battlestar galactica!

KPT · Oct 15, 2008

I had the same issue with 2 rolls of Kodak Hie. Both rolls were bought from Freestyle 2 years ago and i blame Freestyle for the way the film was stored.

gr82bart · Oct 15, 2008

Andrey said:
What do you think this is?

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Regards, Art.

2F/2F · Oct 15, 2008

KPT said:
I had the same issue with 2 rolls of Kodak Hie. Both rolls were bought from Freestyle 2 years ago and i blame Freestyle for the way the film was stored.

Have you ever seen the way Freestyle stores their film? No? Then I would direct the "blame" elsewhere.

I thought the evidenced opinion on Photo.net when someone (you??? IR photos shot in a graveyard with the same spots and same attitude) posted about this last Nov. was that they were air bubbles or something on the film. http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00NTdo. There is even a similar example photo from a textbook that some nice fellow posted for you.

At any rate, knowing exactly how Freestyle stores their film, I can assure you it is not because of the way Freestyle stored the film...so please come off it.

How about these gems of wisdom posted in that post:

"I dont keep any of my film cool i have it all stored in my entertainment center. Should i freeze the film or should i keep it cold in the fridge ?"

"Im a begginer and dont follow proper developing rules or conditions but all the rolls i have developed came out nice."

I don't know...sounds to me like Freestyle is to blame for their storage of the film......:rolleyes:

Akki14 · Oct 15, 2008

The usual questions... Is this a print? Is it on the negative? What do the negatives look like? How did *you* store the film while it was in your possession? What have the local weather conditions been like if you've mailed the film out? More detail might help us out rather than just reading your complaints.

Andrey · Oct 15, 2008

Akki14 said:
The usual questions... Is this a print? Is it on the negative? What do the negatives look like? How did *you* store the film while it was in your possession? What have the local weather conditions been like if you've mailed the film out? More detail might help us out rather than just reading your complaints.

It's all over the negative, spread out evenly.

I borrowed the camera to by friend , which he returned with a half finished roll. I just assumed the film is good, but when I called him up after getting these results he said he got it:

1) a couple of years ago
2) at walmart
3) didn't store it properly

So, I can't really blame the lab. Probably fungus got it.

Akki14 · Oct 15, 2008

Well even a couple years ago at walmart and "not stored properly" I'm still confused how you could get that on a negative. I have lots of "not stored properly" (not refridgerated) colour negative film, cheap storebrand stuff and all that jazz, and I've never seen a film spontaneously develop spots like that. I'd take it back to the lab and ask them if they've had any other people come in with similar on their negs from them.

AgX · Oct 15, 2008

I looked trough a variety of images of faults on films to be found and commented on in literature.

I did not find anything resembling these. As they show a well defined dark spot in a larger homogeneous spot of lesser density.
The photo by KPT does not show these small inner spots.

KPT · Oct 15, 2008

2F/2F said:
Have you ever seen the way Freestyle stores their film? No? Then I would direct the "blame" elsewhere.

I thought the evidenced opinion on Photo.net when someone (you??? IR photos shot in a graveyard with the same spots and same attitude) posted about this last Nov. was that they were air bubbles or something on the film. http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00NTdo. There is even a similar example photo from a textbook that some nice fellow posted for you.

At any rate, knowing exactly how Freestyle stores their film, I can assure you it is not because of the way Freestyle stored the film...so please come off it.

How about these gems of wisdom posted in that post:

"I dont keep any of my film cool i have it all stored in my entertainment center. Should i freeze the film or should i keep it cold in the fridge ?"

"Im a begginer and dont follow proper developing rules or conditions but all the rolls i have developed came out nice."

I don't know...sounds to me like Freestyle is to blame for their storage of the film......:rolleyes:

I never said they were air bubbles! Please read the post correctly before you put your comments into this thread. I purchased apx 20 rolls and all of them were stored on a shelf on an entertainment center. All rolls were shot and developed within 30 days and all were fine except for the Kodak Hie. the developing was correct and the issue was either Freestyle or Kodak not me. Also i have experienced other issues with Freestyle like experation dates being rubbed off of bottles. I know by you posting threads from Photo.net you are trying to say that my lack of experience caused the issues but you are wrong! Please explain yourself on how the fungus issue was caused by me storing the film. i have spoken with other people that had fungus issues with film and when i asked them where they got it they stated Freestyle! I have purchased also of film from them and just like any other company mistakes can happen. You must have a connection to Freestyle, and since you are searching Photo.net to try and make me look like i was the one that caused the issue why dont you search more and find the other posts from people that had the same issue with film from Freestyle. I think you should come off it and relax!

KPT · Oct 15, 2008

2F/2F said:
Have you ever seen the way Freestyle stores their film? No? Then I would direct the "blame" elsewhere.

Here are 5 more shots from the 2 rolls. These are not air bubbles! If Freestyle had the great quaility control as you seem to think then they wouldnt sell Efke! Efke sheet film with missing emulsion spots, 35mm with improper dx coding or no coding on the 35mm but they dont care! they keep selling it. Im not trying to bash Freestyle but you seem to think they are god and can do no wrong. Even with my limited experience, as you seem to state! i can clearly see that these issues are not air bubbles and not from me placing the film on a shelf in my entertainment center for 30 days. I dont live in the Amazon jungle!

KPT · Oct 15, 2008

The last 2

KPT · Oct 15, 2008

AgX said:
I looked trough a variety of images of faults on films to be found and commented on in literature.

I did not find anything resembling these. As they show a well defined dark spot in a larger homogeneous spot of lesser density.
The photo by KPT does not show these small inner spots.

Agx, Some of mine do have the inner spot also. One of the rolls were filled with the spots and the other roll had a lesser amount. Here is one with the inners spot.

2F/2F · Oct 15, 2008

"I never said they were air bubbles! Please read the post correctly before you put your comments into this thread."

Where did I say that YOU said it was air bubbles? How did I read the post incorrectly?

This is what I wrote:

"I thought the evidenced opinion on Photo.net when someone (you??? IR photos shot in a graveyard with the same spots and same attitude) posted about this last Nov. was that they were air bubbles or something on the film."

Translated, the above means: Other people said it was air bubbles or something on the film.

I remembered your Photo.net post vividly, and did not have to do an extensive search for it.

I have no connection to Freestyle other than being a loyal customer, and I fail to see why you must accuse me of such simply for defending them against ignorant pus-bucket trolls on the Internet.

KPT · Oct 15, 2008

2F/2F said:
"I never said they were air bubbles! Please read the post correctly before you put your comments into this thread."

Where did I say that YOU said it was air bubbles? How did I read the post incorrectly?

This is what I wrote:

"I thought the evidenced opinion on Photo.net when someone (you??? IR photos shot in a graveyard with the same spots and same attitude) posted about this last Nov. was that they were air bubbles or something on the film."

Translated, the above means: Other people said it was air bubbles or something on the film.

I remembered your Photo.net post vividly, and did not have to do an extensive search for it.

I have no connection to Freestyle other than being a loyal customer, and I fail to see why you must accuse me of such simply for defending them against ignorant pus-bucket trolls on the Internet.

Its clear that you have no idea of what you are talking about! You must be a very lonely person and have nothing better to in life than act like a simple idiot. My advice to you is to get a few friends and spend less time on the internet.

Andrey · Oct 16, 2008

KPT said:
Its clear that you have no idea of what you are talking about! You must be a very lonely person and have nothing better to in life than act like a simple idiot. My advice to you is to get a few friends and spend less time on the internet.

Friend are good... but let's play nice and not accuse each other.

Freestyle makes mistakes too. They sent me a scratched 100 foot roll of efke... it happens. Roll with it.

Let's hug and make up?

2F/2F · Oct 16, 2008

Andrey said:
Friend are good... but let's play nice and not accuse each other.

Freestyle makes mistakes too. They sent me a scratched 100 foot roll of efke... it happens. Roll with it.

Let's hug and make up?

Freestyle shipped you exactly what they were shipped. They have nothing to do with Ekfe's quality control or anybody else's. They are a retailer, AKA a middleman. You do not shoot the messenger, do you? That is my whole point. Of course nobody is perfect, but stating " blame Freestyle for the way the film was stored" is just ill-founded, especially when I recognized who the poster was. Their materials are stored much better than the spotty graveyard pix shooter stored his, so his statement makes no sense whatsoever. Rather than respond to points, he issues an entirely personal and reactionary post without solid content or substance in response, after first posting a nonsensical response to things I didn't even say. No, there will be no hugging and making up. We don't negotiate with mythical creatures that live under bridges.

AgX · Oct 16, 2008

This thread really gets out of hand...

Back to the spots and a possible storage problem:

-) storage in the original unopened canister(135) / wrapping(120) should not lead to fungus.

As long as the film was converted/packaged the right way. State of the art is doing this in a well defined micro climate allowing the film to comt to equlibrium with the surrounding air. This in first instance is aimed at avoiding any curl, brittlenes, static issues (in the belief that the user handles the film in similar climates). Secondly this is believed to yield so few vapor of water in the package that it still can be controlled by the gelatin. Thus even cooling down the unopened package would not not cause any dew on the emulsion; but a bit higher himudity of the gedlatin.

-) however, none of the common methods of packaging will totally yield any migration of vapour in any direction. To my knowledge this has not been discussed by researchers, but Kodak advises to place their bulk canisters in a second, tight container.

-) storing film in a once opened package could induce problems.

-) storing can induce some problems aside from humidity, these are especially temperature induced.

-) storing film in the camera is likely to cause a lot of problems.

-) I assume that all those images of faults on film induced by fungus or bacteria published by the industry relate to faults originating from time after the processing. So they might not be applicable here.

KPT · Oct 16, 2008

Andrey said:
Friend are good... but let's play nice and not accuse each other.

Freestyle makes mistakes too. They sent me a scratched 100 foot roll of efke... it happens. Roll with it.

Let's hug and make up?

Andrey

I know things happen and its no big deal. I order from Freestyle apx once a month and will continue to do so. I get along with everyone except when someone with emotional issues tries to harass me with something she knows nothing about (2f). When i developed the rolls i was a beginner at developing and i dont think i did anything wrong. I shot apx 20 rolls that were stored on a shelf in my living room for apx 30 days and everything came out great except for the 2 rolls of Kodak Hie. The 2 rolls were developed several days apart from each other and the same results happened. Out of the 20 rolls the only issues were from the 2 Kodak rolls that were bought from Freestyle. I didnt mean to hijack your thread but that scum dweller (2f) wouldnt let it go, so i had to respond. Again im sorry for taking up the thread with this issue.

Akki14 · Oct 16, 2008

AgX said:
-) I assume that all those images of faults on film induced by fungus or bacteria published by the industry relate to faults originating from time after the processing. So they might not be applicable here.

There is a rather cool example on the lomo site of fungus/mould/whatever damage *pre* development
http://shop.lomography.com/labrats/risotto/index.php
Click through for examples of what happens when you put two rolls of film in a bag with damp rice and forget about it for 2 years (ew). then have it processed...
Back story on it http://shop.lomography.com/labrats/risotto.html

removed account4 · Oct 16, 2008

KPT

why don't you bring your "gripes" about your film to freestyle instead of airing your problems here?

you mention efke ...
efke is not kodak or ilford ... when you buy film that is not "1st tier" there are QC issues from time to time.
efke film has a soft emulsion and scratches easily. if i scratch my film when i process it, i don't get upset with freestyle
for selling me film that scratches easily --- i realize i paid 35-50 dollars for
100 sheets instead of close to 100$ for 100 sheets of ilford or kodak
and old equipment and old emulsion formulas don't give the same results as state of the art manufacturing ...

i use outdated film all the time, pro film, consumer film, color and black and white, sometimes 20+ years expired
and i have never had spots on my negatives because of poor / warm storage. my film sits on a shelf in my studio
and has for years, and sometimes in a hot golve box for months at a time ( the whole summer ) ...

you stored tempermental IR film in an entertainment center ( stereo / av console )?
electrical equipment can give off a lot of heat and an entertainment center
can trap the heat --- sometimes 90º+ of heat ...

could the problems with YOUR film have been poor storage and poor technique?
you do state in your PNet thread that you are a begginer and dont follow proper developing rules or conditions ...
poor processing and film that has been slow cooking with av equipment might give strange results
a bad batch could give bad results as well.

if a lot of people had similar results with the same film purchased at the same place, maybe this should have been
brought up with the store you bought it at, instead of on internet forums.

My first gothic/alternative shoot or have you had this happen to your film?

Andrey

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