MSA May/June 2017 - "Experiment!"

NedL · Jun 11, 2017

sly said:
Here's my experiment:

I particularly like the first one

Bertus · Jun 11, 2017

Great idea, like it!

sly said:
Here's my experiment:

awty · Jun 17, 2017

Hi all
Sly invited me blame him, Oh while where at we have to blame LAG as well for inspiring me.
My first photogram using very fogged 8x10 Kentmere Katonia paper, but apparently that wasn't good enough for LAG so I had to do a positive, another first as I have not done any contact printing before.
Also flashed the positive paper (new ilford rc pearl) for 20th of a sec another first, dodge the corners at the same time to lighten the curtains.....yes they are supposed to be curtains catching the breeze.
Burnt in the very bottom 1/4 of a stop to resemble some sort of base, maybe should be a tad higher with a bit of fade.
Used potassium ferricyanide (not the first time) on the bottle to get it to shine a tad.
developed in centrabrom, then a bit of eukobrom.
Hope my entry complies.
BTW Sly when I was a boy we use to use the petrol/gas from the lawn mower and lots of plastic for our volcanoes , come to think back now baking soda/vinegar sounds a lot safer.

awty · Jun 17, 2017

sly said:
Here's my experiment:

A friend gave me a box of RC paper left over from a photography course quite some time ago. She'd stored it in a filing cabinet. Very badly fogged. I've always meant to try lumen prints, so here's my chance. My first 3 attempts......

They are great, especially the first. Lumen is my next project, cant be any worse than my photogram attempt.

MattKing · Jun 17, 2017

awty said:
Sly invited me blame him

Your experiment looks great.
And when it comes to sly, I am sure she will be happy to accept the blame.

LAG · Jun 17, 2017

awty said:
... for inspiring me ... My first photogram ... a positive, another first as I have not done any contact printing before.

Congrats awty for all those good news for you. All the best!

awty · Jun 17, 2017

MattKing said:
Your experiment looks great.
And when it comes to sly, I am sure she will be happy to accept the blame.

My apologies Sly, I should of paid better attention. I mostly come here to look at the pictures and steal ideas.....I mean share ideas and dont venture much into the forums.

awty · Jun 18, 2017

@Micalngelo mentioned my positive was a little too cheery so I made a negative using the positive on some really bad old kodak paper.......ill stop now.

LAG · Jun 18, 2017

awty said:
...so I made a negative using the positive on some really bad old kodak paper.......ill stop now.

Well, you can call that an experiment indeed! (but please do not stop)

Bertus · Jun 18, 2017

awty said:
Hi all
Fantastic experiments

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Cholentpot · Jun 18, 2017

I rolled a very old roll of Tri-x back and forth a few times through a date back cheap P&S too see what happened then took a walk with my meterless OM-1 and a red filter. Shot @ around 25 ISO and stand developed in HC-110 @ 1:119.

Experiment #2 was putting a mask inside an Argus C3 with I now call a Panargus and shooting a roll of very expired Gold 200 @ 25 ISO. I did a double exposure on one of the frames. I shot clouds because I thought that would provide enough light. Film was stand developed in a C-41 kit reaching the end of life.

peter k. · Jun 19, 2017

Cholentpot said:
I rolled a very old roll of Tri-x back and forth a few times through a date back cheap P&S too see what happened then ...

I'm confused, ... you rolled a very old roll of film, back and forth... and then shot the roll in another camera, and the effect you got was that the emulsion run back and forth a couple of times, caused those 'imprints' on the sky in the shell gas station pict?
Whatever it was it made the first floral shot very interesting to me, making me look deeper into it, several times.

sly · Jun 19, 2017

Thank you awty and cholentpot. This is getting exciting. 10 more days for rest of you to wow me.

Cholentpot · Jun 19, 2017

peter k. said:
I'm confused, ... you rolled a very old roll of film, back and forth... and then shot the roll in another camera, and the effect you got was that the emulsion run back and forth a couple of times, caused those 'imprints' on the sky in the shell gas station pict?
Whatever it was it made the first floral shot very interesting to me, making me look deeper into it, several times.

Thanks!

The imprints are from cracked emulsion. I just put it through a dateback camera to see how many times I can get the date onto the film. Everything else is due to the film being really old and stored bad.

michaelorr · Jun 20, 2017

Carousel - Asbury Park, NJ

Being in research and development (not the film type) for many years, i have come to appreciate that the most valuable experimental result is FAILURE! It is a fast way of converging on solutions, as many branches of wrong answer are eliminated quickly. So, here is my FAILED EXPERIMENT.

Contact printed onto Ilford MGIV, white light from a LPL dichroic head. The fail is likely the paper choice, based on some feedback i have from an apug artist. It clearly did not develop out the highlights. And the darker tones would have come out much sooner likely in development with a different paper.

The negative is HP-5 8x10 developed in Perceptol 1+1. Photographed on 9 June 2017. It was a terrific late afternoon, low humidity, great blue sky.

The first scan is 3x exposed, developed in Moersch EasyLith 1+19 for 24 minutes.
The second scan is 4x exposed, developed 1+19 for 28 minutes.
The third is the 3x by 24 minutes scan cropped for better resolution in the detail befitting apug limitations.

Between the two prints, i can see that Lith printing this negative is going to be just what i wanted it to be when i chose the subject to experiment with for this MSA. No other subject i could readily think of would fit so well in lith.

I see great possibility pointed to by this FAILURE. I am really psyched about finishing this project even if i miss the MSA deadline. This has been fun and stretching exercise, as all the MSAs are for me. MSA is an absolute gem in the apug arsenal of great stuff going on.

One great thing about the MSA, is that i don't even need to submit to gain so much from the challenge. The only one grading is me. Time usually has not permitted me to do most of these within the two months, but i keep trying. And especially for this one, i will keep trying to make this image as i imagined it in the challenge of the MSA. I hope to post soon the result in my gallery.

This has been so much fun!

This long-defunct Carousel building sits on the boardwalk at the south end of Asbury Park. It is copper clad, well oxidized with the sweetest green copper oxide, such luscious patina - so much texture. Is it ever so cool in person. If i get some color film loaded sometime in a camera again i will try to take a straight photo in color and nice light, and put in my gallery for perspective Won't be the same - it is so monochromatic that it screams to be photographed in BW.

At the bottom left, in the background is the Casino, which is featured as a facing image in my gallery.

Super topic choice for MSA, Sly!

>michael

russljames · Jun 21, 2017

My May/June MSA experiment image (negative scan) is a rather prehistoric looking thing, but it is a photographic image nonetheless. It came into existence from three connected sub-experiments:

I found a Kodak Retina Reflex at a flea market two weekends ago. The shutter fired and the mirror was working properly but the seller had no idea about the history of the camera or if it had ever been film tested. This was the camera’s first “test drive” for me when I got home that day. I took random shots around the yard, crossing my fingers that it could get through the roll without a film advance or mirror return issue. It did!
The film I used was 10 year plus expired Kodak Gold 400 that had been kept by the original purchaser in a camera bag that was stored in an attic. Condition unknown for me.
I realized that my C41 chemistry was nearly exhausted, so I decided to try my first attempt at processing this Kodak Gold in caffenol (Delta recipe). Ironically, only after the fact did I discover that my ascorbic acid crystals had surpassed their “best use” date by almost four years. Not sure how much of a difference that made, but it adds another variable to the overall "experiment".

Thanks for the fun theme, Sly. Cheers!

Russ

LAG · Jun 21, 2017

Cholentpot said:

Brilliant!, congratulations!

michaelorr · Jun 21, 2017

russljames said:
My May/June MSA experiment image (negative scan) is a rather prehistoric looking thing, but it is a photographic image nonetheless. It came into existence from three connected sub-experiments:

I do hope you run away again with the MSA. Yours looks like it had to be great fun putting together.

Cholentpot · Jun 21, 2017

LAG said:
Brilliant!, congratulations!

Thanks! Expired film is a joy to play with.

sly · Jun 22, 2017

Thanks Michael and Russ! It is energizing to step outside our comfort zone, isn't it?

NedL · Jun 22, 2017

Here's an experiment. This is not eligible for the MSA because the calotype was made a couple years ago, but I made this print the day before yesterday.
This isn't what I had in mind for the MSA -- that's just not going to happen in time-- and it just occurred to me that would have had the same problem!

This print was made using the instructions of Thomas Rodger who was a protégé of Adamson ( of "Hill and Adamson" ) from the St. Andrews early circle of photographers. He invented a process he called "collodion calotype" and this is from the printing instructions he gave. I've attached a copy of the article from the Transactions of the Royal Scottish Society of Arts, Vol IV, 1856. The first part of the article describes Rodger's "collodion calotype" process ( don't try this at home, it uses some extremely toxic and dangerous components! ). The second part describes this printing process, which I've made three attempts at in the past few weeks.

I followed the instructions fairly closely, except that I did not put gold chloride or silver salts into the hypo. I just used plain hypo to fix the print. This process is rather unique as far as I know in using some gold chloride in the salting solution -- though not very much, just about 0.02%.

My first two tries turned dark brown all over within a couple minutes of sensitizing with silver. This one has some citric acid added to the salting solution, and it stayed clean long enough to make a print.

A couple notes:

The reason this is a weak print is that I started too late and ran out of sun. Given the way the border exposed, I'm quite sure it could have been printed deeply enough to be nice if I'd had another hour or two. The weak print is not the fault of the process

The paper still looked clean when I started and when it came out of the printing frame. The stains around the margin started to appear as soon as it got wet in the first washing step. Possibly some combination of acidification and sizing could solve it, I don't know.

The color was a very pretty plum before processing, and even now it is a nice almost coffee color, with hints of pink.

MattKing · Jun 23, 2017

This is kind of an unintended result of a type of experiment that many of us make regularly - an exposure experiment.
I was trying to achieve a particular effect - the cascading down of light from the tree canopy above. So I considered lightening up the result a little bit.
Then I messed it up and used way too much exposure compensation.
I kind of like it though.
Mamiya 645 Pro with 45mm Mamiya Sekor N lens.
Ektachrome E100G, lab developed.

PS - I think a good title would be: "Blown Out"

LAG · Jun 23, 2017

NedL said:
Here's an experiment.

Exposure time?

... In those years (due to long exposure times) they had to choose very well the right moment. Nice experience, better luck next time (If you've made the print the day before yesterday I hope that sly take that in mind, ... and good luck)

Congrats & thanks for sharing anyway!

russljames · Jun 23, 2017

michaelorr said:
I do hope you run away again with the MSA. Yours looks like it had to be great fun putting together.

Thank you!

TheFlyingCamera · Jun 23, 2017

a double-exposure happy accident.

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