Andrew O'Neill
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I thought I'd give Mortensen's Glycin Variant film developer a go. It was the first time I'd ever worked with Glycin.
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Could be stored as a 5x or 10x concentrate of this?
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Glycin... fresh glycin... what developers to make with it?
I just got 100 grams of fresh glycin from Photographer's Formulary. I plan to make up about 5 litres of Ansco 130 stock solution. That leaves me with 45 grams of glycin and it deteriorates by the day... So... are there any other good formulas that use glycin? Let me know your experiences...
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That's the stuff I used to stand develop in a tube for several hours in the refrigerator. Stood the tube on end. I got good results with the exception that the negative was dense and requires a long printing time.
I've kept glycin for years by keeping it in a freezer bag in the freezer.
I've kept glycin for years by keeping it in a freezer bag in the freezer.
Andy,
I have to tend to agree with koraks on this one. It's hard to believe that Pyrocat-HD could look that unsharp compared to any Glycin developer. I have played with two different film developers that contained Glycin and while they were very good I still prefer Pyrocat-HDC and Xtol-R
I have to tend to agree with koraks on this one. It's hard to believe that Pyrocat-HD could look that unsharp compared to any Glycin developer. I have played with two different film developers that contained Glycin and while they were very good I still prefer Pyrocat-HDC and Xtol-R
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Andrew O'Neill
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Not sure why the Pyrocat-HD negative is softer. Both received the same exposure, one after the other. I just scanned it in again, and it's softer than the Glycin negative. I'll do another test in the backyard...
I'm virtually certain it's a focus issue. Perhaps if you look at different spots on the negative you'll find areas that are (more) in focus than the bit you highlighted in the video. In fact, looking at the branches in the background on that snippet it almost looks like those are in better focus than the foreground. Maybe knocked something slightly out of alignment when switching film holders?
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Andrew O'Neill
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I probably did knock something out. I cannot think of anything else. I'm going to redo the test. After that, I'll re-edit the video.
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Andrew O'Neill
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I won't sleep tonight if I just leave it as is...Better get a move on as I've already lost an hour to daylight savings 
I wish they would put that madness to bed!
I wish they would put that madness to bed!You and me, both! Enough already.
Good luck Andy! Oh, I love daylight savings time, but only in the Fall when I get an extra hour of
sleep.
sleep.Can the Mortensen developer be used with the Zone System? 
Just asking for a friend...
Just asking for a friend...
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Andrew O'Neill
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Can the Mortensen developer be used with the Zone System?
Just asking for a friend...
Hang on... I'll get the Ouija board out
The focus issue aside, I'm not surprised that the glycin developer produce high sharpness. I used the similar "Agfa 8" developer many years ago and was surprised how good it was. Agfa listed the formula as a "portrait and amateur" developer. "Portrait" probably because of the very good midtones. Agfa 8 uses less glycin than the Mortensen formula so it might be more economical.
Sodium sulfite: 12.5g
Glycin: 2g
Potassium carbonate: 25g
You can mix a more concentrated solution that you dilute before use. Some glycin developers were mixed as a paste, like Hübl's formula.
Sodium sulfite: 12.5g
Glycin: 2g
Potassium carbonate: 25g
You can mix a more concentrated solution that you dilute before use. Some glycin developers were mixed as a paste, like Hübl's formula.
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Andrew O'Neill
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If Agfa 8 was formulated before Agfa 9 (Rodinal), then it's from before Mortensen was even born.
I don't have my notes here, but I remember that glycin-only film developers like ½-1 stop more exposure for the shadows.
Some of Mortensen's books are available for free download via the Internet Archive:
Monsters and Madonnas:
Projection Control:
Pictorial Lighting: (read only, no download)
The Model:
Print Finishing:
Outdoor portraiture; problems of face and figure in natural environment: (borrow only)
The New Projection Control:
Be aware the I.A. might bandwidth limit you if you try to download them all at once.
And, try to give them a few bucks for their operational expenses; this "free stuff" costs a lot to maintain...
Monsters and Madonnas:
Projection Control:
Pictorial Lighting: (read only, no download)
Pictorial lighting : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
111 p. incl. front., 25 cm
archive.org
The Model:
The Model : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
William Mortensen covers posing a model. Things to avoid, make-up, costumes, and nudes. This is a first edition, third printing. Like all Mortensen books in...
archive.org
Print Finishing:
Print finishing : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
127 p. incl. front., illus. 25 cm
archive.org
Outdoor portraiture; problems of face and figure in natural environment: (borrow only)
The New Projection Control:
Be aware the I.A. might bandwidth limit you if you try to download them all at once.
And, try to give them a few bucks for their operational expenses; this "free stuff" costs a lot to maintain...
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Andrew O'Neill
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Some of Mortensen's books are available for free download via the Internet Archive:
Monsters and Madonnas:
Projection Control:
Pictorial Lighting: (read only, no download)
Pictorial lighting : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
111 p. incl. front., 25 cmarchive.org
The Model:
The Model : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
William Mortensen covers posing a model. Things to avoid, make-up, costumes, and nudes. This is a first edition, third printing. Like all Mortensen books in...archive.org
Print Finishing:
Print finishing : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
127 p. incl. front., illus. 25 cmarchive.org
Outdoor portraiture; problems of face and figure in natural environment: (borrow only)
The New Projection Control:
Be aware the I.A. might bandwidth limit you if you try to download them all at once.
And, try to give them a few bucks for their operational expenses; this "free stuff" costs a lot to maintain...
Thank you for the links, Kino!
Some of Mortensen's books are available for free download via the Internet Archive:
Monsters and Madonnas:
Projection Control:
Pictorial Lighting: (read only, no download)
Pictorial lighting : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
111 p. incl. front., 25 cmarchive.org
The Model:
The Model : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
William Mortensen covers posing a model. Things to avoid, make-up, costumes, and nudes. This is a first edition, third printing. Like all Mortensen books in...archive.org
Print Finishing:
Print finishing : Mortensen, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
127 p. incl. front., illus. 25 cmarchive.org
Outdoor portraiture; problems of face and figure in natural environment: (borrow only)
The New Projection Control:
Be aware the I.A. might bandwidth limit you if you try to download them all at once.
And, try to give them a few bucks for their operational expenses; this "free stuff" costs a lot to maintain...
Wow, thanks for this
Andy, I really enjoy these videos! I've got some 80-90 year old Kodak Athenon (Glycin) it looks remarkably well preserved, I need to try sometime. I used Glycin in print developer over 30 years back, I need to think this over.
Best Regards Mike
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Andrew O'Neill
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80-90 years old? Let me know what you decide to do with it, and how it went!
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