Model; "what's Film?"

BradS said:

what a ditz...have you learned anything from working with such a dim-wit?

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Don't be so harsh, my Dad is a physicist and can't understand why others don't know the basic principals of quantum mechanics or string theory because to him THAT STUFF is common knowledge.

She delt with the cold and has been forgiven...


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lxdude said:

It's amazing how little general knowledge many people have, even when much older than she. Schools don't encourage broad-based knowledge, and are teaching subjects more than encouraging learning. I know young people who got into Stanford and UC Berkeley who just don't know much generally. They learned their subjects in school and gave the right answers on tests, but are incurious. They are not unintelligent, but are uninquisitive. So they just lack a lot of "common knowledge".

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I certainly agree with that, it's pretty amazing what isn't common knowledge.


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lxdude said:

It's amazing how little general knowledge many people have, even when much older than she. Schools don't encourage broad-based knowledge, and are teaching subjects more than encouraging learning. I know young people who got into Stanford and UC Berkeley who just don't know much generally. They learned their subjects in school and gave the right answers on tests, but are incurious. They are not unintelligent, but are uninquisitive. So they just lack a lot of "common knowledge".

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I think it was Einstein who said that culture is what remains after you forgot all that you have learned.

In the case of these people knowing only what they were taught, I think it can be said that even if they knew much more they would remain ignorant.

Being cultivated, just like being ignorant, is a mindset.

StoneNYC said:

I certainly agree with that, it's pretty amazing what isn't common knowledge.


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I was at a workshop last night where a psychiatrist was speaking on issues respecting capacity assessments for the elderly and the mentally infirm. One of the tests she was discussing required patients to draw a picture of a round clock face. I immediately thought of my nieces who, when they were pre-teen struggled to read the time from anything other than a digital clock.

They are now older, either university graduates or university students, and very competent in all sorts of ways, but I wonder if they would be challenged by the psychiatrist's test.

MattKing said:

I was at a workshop last night where a psychiatrist was speaking on issues respecting capacity assessments for the elderly and the mentally infirm. One of the tests she was discussing required patients to draw a picture of a round clock face. I immediately thought of my nieces who, when they were pre-teen struggled to read the time from anything other than a digital clock.

They are now older, either university graduates or university students, and very competent in all sorts of ways, but I wonder if they would be challenged by the psychiatrist's test.

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Like this?



Hehe


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This is like a guitarist being surprised that no one knows what a vacuum tube is.

Times change. We can't fault people for not knowing about the things that have changed—even if we care a lot about the things that have changed. (;

i had a 16-year-old model not belie e me when i was not able to show her the picture just waken on the back of the hasselblad. she felt ,a pro camera should be able to do what her point and shoot can. but the liked the view through the wlf!

film is an analog sensor with shit loads of mega pixels.

StoneNYC said:

Don't be so harsh, my Dad is a physicist and can't understand why others don't know the basic principals of quantum mechanics or string theory because to him THAT STUFF is common knowledge.

She delt with the cold and has been forgiven...


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So was my Father in law.
Franz Mandl. (books like Statistical physics).
He couldn't wire a mains plug, but always dirived formula from first principles lol.
The looks we always got in restraunts because of the topics of conversations lol.
Alan

RalphLambrecht said:

film is an analog sensor with shit loads of mega pixels.

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Sounds like a good sig line.

lxdude said:

Sounds like a good sig line.

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Yea it does!! Might steal it haha.

Also I love the one about the model who didn't believe the photog about not being able to see the image on the back haha.

How times have changed.

Tell her that only real professionals have cameras without a viewing back because they don't need to check the image because they know what they are doing... Hehe


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Model; what's film?

Reminds me of the following real conversation:

Film photographer is setting up a shot near a jogging trail.
Jogger approaches.
Jogger: Hey you know there are digital cameras now. You don't have to use film anymore.
Photographer: Hey you know there are cars now. You don't have to jog anymore.

itt: lots of snark. (;

jloen said:

Reminds me of the following real conversation:

Film photographer is setting up a shot near a jogging trail.
Jogger approaches.
Jogger: Hey you know there are digital cameras now. You don't have to use film anymore.
Photographer: Hey you know there are cars now. You don't have to jog anymore.

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That's funny


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I once was asked by someone with a digi SLR ..."why are my pictures so dark".....I replied, "When you shoot against the light source you should open up your aperture setting by 1-2 stops".

Digi photographer's reply: "What's an aperture"?

rolleiman said:

I once was asked by someone with a digi SLR ..."why are my pictures so dark".....I replied, "When you shoot against the light source you should open up your aperture setting by 1-2 stops".

Digi photographer's reply: "What's an aperture"?

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Oi!!!


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Maybe you better find models over 10 years old.

I let my disquiet about this thread colour my response to your new upload to the gallery. In this thread the term "grade school drop out" seemed to apply to your model. You then had her posing outdoors naked in the cold, posted some images, and identified her as the model who the thread is about. Struck me as lacking in empathy and respect. Has she seen this thread? Pleased to be discussed so in a public forum?

sly said:

I let my disquiet about this thread colour my response to your new upload to the gallery. In this thread the term "grade school drop out" seemed to apply to your model. You then had her posing outdoors naked in the cold, posted some images, and identified her as the model who the thread is about. Struck me as lacking in empathy and respect. Has she seen this thread? Pleased to be discussed so in a public forum?

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Have you actually read through the responses in this thread? All of them? I did defend her when to many commented negatively.


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So, have you shared the thread with her? Would she think you had defended her honour and her intellect?

sly said:

I let my disquiet about this thread colour my response to your new upload to the gallery. In this thread the term "grade school drop out" seemed to apply to your model. You then had her posing outdoors naked in the cold, posted some images, and identified her as the model who the thread is about. Struck me as lacking in empathy and respect. Has she seen this thread? Pleased to be discussed so in a public forum?

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sly said:

So, have you shared the thread with her? Would she think you had defended her honour and her intellect?

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For whatever it's worth to anyone, I think Lillian has this right...

Ken

Ken Nadvornick said:

For whatever it's worth to anyone, I think Lillian has this right...

Ken

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Is Lillian "Sly"?

Yes I told her about the thread.

My comment was on how perspective in age changes our perspective on what we consider "common knowledge" I don't think anything I said here is wrong and others said worse than I.

Anyway, I won't bother to respond anymore to this line, it's obvious you don't know me and can't separate what you glean from an abstract thread from the point of the whole thing.

If you don't like it, don't look.


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PS the response about gleaning was more directed to sly not Ken, sorry if that wasn't clear.


~Stone

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Ok now that I'm home, I read through every post. It's very clear that "Sly" hasn't read a single thing I wrote or she would know this is a question on the perspective of our common knowledge and that in no way did I say anything insulting about the model, I also think you are miss-representing my image as I don't have any other examples of the theme of the project as most were shot on digital. Furthermore I never once said "grade school dropout" nor eluded to nor directly stated that she was in any way uneducated. And in fact in the photo series she is choosing knowledge and purity over ignorance and sin, so I think you just want to cause drama and have no interest in actually understanding art and philosophy nor the sociology of our times. If I were to direct a classification of insult I would say more than anything that you are insulting her honor and putting her down, and that you are entirely misconstruing the situation for your own ends. Which I can't fully understand what they may be.

Furthermore I find your view of my latest model post to be the kind that causes artist to hesitate and hold back their art for fear of criticism from someone who might not be interested in art of a broader conceptualization. I say this with no malice or intent of attack. Your work is beautiful, I especially appreciate all the pregnant women, I too find them beautiful creatures capable of the only true creation. But I find no concepts or themes of commentary in your work, no message, just beauty. I look to speak on my work, more of trying to cause my work to invoke a dialog about the world and how I view it and how I want it to change. I don't have a full project to lay out and show you nor a full book to mail you so you can see the full theme of a particular work, so you'll have to just accept my word that many of the individual images are only part of a greater whole, and pieces of a message. I also post a lot of only partially complete images here, partially out of paranoia over the concern of theft of my imagery, and also because posting my work motivates me to continue on and to complete more and more things.

I've never been good at titles and I don't really "title" my work, the way others do, so the title on one image here, may be something different on a different day in a different place. I know that's confusing but until I actually make a print, it remains an arbitrary and ever evolving title.

It's clear from looking at your body of work that the nude form, especially the healthy and pregnant form, is a driving force for you, I'm hoping perhaps that the mothering instinct in you has caused you to react without fully understanding the situation as part of just natural instinct and if you actually read through the total of my responses you would see that I am both responsible for my models and also defensive of them.

I can understand how a woman who holds the ideals of a healthy female body and then sees the image of a woman who is malnourished could be upset by it and lash out.

But I ask you Sly, again(and Ken as well for that matter) to fully read my statements AND all the responses that follow, I think you'll perhaps realize that if nothing else I am not in any way saying that she was a stupid girl, just ignorant of photography, just as I am ignorant of child birth, of starvation, of wealth, of drugs, of the navigation controls of the airplane I flew in last week, etc.

If you wish to explain yourself further or discus this in any more negative ways i ask you to please do so in private, I find your comments about my work and the models in them to be offensive and non constructive to me and insulting to them and their hard work. Especially the comment about the school dropout as I would never say such a thing and it shows how poorly you understand what's going on here.

Sorry of what I've said was harsh, I still respect you both very much as artists, you are both more experienced than I am, with a lot more collected work to draw from, often completed works, where I still have not completed any of my book projects, nor had a private showing of any full project. But I know enough to know that someone who might like an Ansel Adams image might not be able to fully appreciate a Gregory Crewdson image. Very different styles, very different themes...


~Stone

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You flatter me, sir. But calling me an artist is a minor insult to those who really are. As I said in private, I just putz around in my free time. I enjoy the medium of chemical photography. It facinates me to no end. But I don't really have an artistic bone in my body.

Any interesting photographs that may result are purely an accident of the bell curve, I can assure you...



Ken