In the case of the F2, the self timer also allows shutter speeds to ten seconds.
In the case of the F2, the self timer also allows shutter speeds to ten seconds.I would take no frills to mean limited number of features, interchangeable prisms is a frill in my book while a self timer is not frill as it allows the shutter to be tripped without a cable release.
Who else has a favorite basic and competent 35...
A Nikon F2 with meterless prism is acceptable.
Since my Nikon F2 meets the original poster's criteria, I submit it as my "favorite basic and competent 35."
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Pentax S3V was my favorite until it got stolen. Been keeping my eyes peeled for Pentax SL to take its place.I think it's the "built-in" part.
If a camera was designed with a meter, e.g. Spotmatic, then it's not a minimalist camera. If the meter doesn't work, that doesn't matter: it was designed with a meter, so it's not minimalist.
Wow.
I could write a pretty interesting essay, based solely on responses to this thread. Several pretty interesting essays, probably.
I don't know anything about the Guardian.Wow indeed. Don't hand in those essays for a study course - no doubt the Guardian will publish at least one, if you give it to them free.
We can then clog up their Comments with yet more equally pretty interesting opinions and our pretty interests.
On the whole, PHOTRIO members write far better posts than most on the Guardian, so the OP's essay(s) and our responses would be a great improvement on their usual dismal fare of hipster news.
Seriously (), this thread has been amusing and certainly stimulating - I'll even dare to say pretty again, and many of the cameras mentioned are very pretty indeed). And fun. To be taken with tablespoonfuls of honey or maple syrup, not lemon juice or vinegar.
We who have so little to laugh about these days...
I don't know anything about the Guardian.
What was on my mind when I started this thread was "clutter" and how it finds it's way into our lives through the tiniest points of access. I'm a great fan of simple things that work, the hinge for instance is an elegant device - and take a moment to imagine a world without hinges. Seriously.
Using the Pentax H1a (S1a outside the U.S.)bpoints out to me just how powerful a tool such a "primitive" SLR is - I have a Nikon outfit which I used semi professionally, but the lowly Pentax will do 99+% of what the Nikon stuff will do; the main lack is abscence of ttl metering for macro work. The Pentax is "uncluttered" in that every feature is used all the time, while the Nikons have quite a few features and options which are used occasionally or in the case of the motordrive option, never (by me).
A built in meter is nice, but the lack of one, except for the application cited above, is no inconvenience to me. On a month long trip to Germany I used a meterless Nikon F, three lenses, and a Gossen LunaSix, I never wished for the FTN finder I left home, and out of 8 36 exp. rolls of Agfa E6 film I missed not a single exposure - because I had to think each time I used the meter, the deliberate process being very beneficial. Contrast this to the "spray & pray" (= clutter) approach so prevalent today. Look at how cluttered most prosumer dslrs are, particularly those dreadful multilayer menues.
Plus, it's easily mass produced by unskilled laborYes! Less is more. Better to have computer in head...not dependent on batteries.
I've been using a Pentax H1a as a daily carry camera lately, with the 55 f:2.2 Auto Takumar and a Gossen N100 meter.
I like the simplicity and handling of the camera, it seems smaller than it is and the lack of frills is very appealing.
Who else has a favorite basic and competent 35, either rf or slr?
???Which part of "no built-in meter" is so #&@!$ difficult to understand?
Plus, it's easily mass produced by unskilled labor
You might want a bit of finesse in the programming, though - particularly the ROM.
The Gossen N100 is a handheld meter.
I think he might be referring to the pentax h1-a's clip on light meter as the op doesn't like "on camera" meters. Why it makes any difference is beyond me as the op allows handheld meters. Maybe if you unclipped the clip on meter from the camera and used it handheld he'd be ok (I know-using a gossen and not the clip on). Op gets to set the criteria though. It's their thread.The Gossen N100 is a handheld meter.
You know what looks strange? An F2 body wearing an eye level finder from an F.That plain-prism F2 is beautiful. Give it to me.
I already have a M4-2, yes it has a rangefinder but the lens I adapted to it should qualify as minimal, very minimal. It is a 2 element, 28mm f8 (fixed aperture and fixed at infinity) taken from a plastic 35mm camera and mounted in a generic body cap. Still have a first roll in the camera with that lens. Will have to see how it looks.Why not just go all the way and use a Leica IG, 35mm Summaron, with no rangefinder or viewfinder and just use sunny 16?
No no, my F2 is wearing a prism from an F. I wanted to see if it fit, it fits. Doesn't look good either, it's even worse on the black F2.Hm? That's a proper DE-1 for an F2. The F never had that. All the F plain-prisms I've seen had a lovely "F" right in the center.
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I already have a M4-2, yes it has a rangefinder but the lens I adapted to it should qualify as minimal, very minimal. It is a 2 element, 28mm f8 (fixed aperture and fixed at infinity) taken from a plastic 35mm camera and mounted in a generic body cap. Still have a first roll in the camera with that lens. Will have to see how it looks.
Since my Nikon F2 meets the original poster's criteria, I submit it as my "favorite basic and competent 35."
However, I still prefer my homemade pinhole cameras when I really want to go primitive.
(Quote) wow! (Exclamation mark added by poster). I thought my Nikkormats were the bee's knees.
This post has made me want to buy an F2, or maybe a pair of F2s.
Send the OP the pinhole. It seems more suited to his line of thought.
I don't know anything about the Guardian.
What was on my mind when I started this thread was "clutter" and how it finds it's way into our lives through the tiniest points of access. I'm a great fan of simple things that work, the hinge for instance is an elegant device - and take a moment to imagine a world without hinges. Seriously.
Using the Pentax H1a (S1a outside the U.S.)bpoints out to me just how powerful a tool such a "primitive" SLR is - I have a Nikon outfit which I used semi professionally, but the lowly Pentax will do 99+% of what the Nikon stuff will do; the main lack is abscence of ttl metering for macro work. The Pentax is "uncluttered" in that every feature is used all the time, while the Nikons have quite a few features and options which are used occasionally or in the case of the motordrive option, never (by me).
A built in meter is nice, but the lack of one, except for the application cited above, is no inconvenience to me. On a month long trip to Germany I used a meterless Nikon F, three lenses, and a Gossen LunaSix, I never wished for the FTN finder I left home, and out of 8 36 exp. rolls of Agfa E6 film I missed not a single exposure - because I had to think each time I used the meter, the deliberate process being very beneficial. Contrast this to the "spray & pray" (= clutter) approach so prevalent today. Look at how cluttered most prosumer dslrs are, particularly those dreadful multilayer menues.
As for angst and the turbidity of my op, my thoughts had not quite yet gelled into text; also with the typical tetrapyloctomy that takes place here, it likely wouldn't have mattered.You and I are on the same page on almost all this. Entirely so.
Why didn't you say all this in your original post? All the angst you've caused, oh my.
You have well and truly buttered your own bread on this one. Now you'll have to lie on it.
To respectfully disagree on some of some of your points, by comparison to an inbuilt camera meter, how is a Gossen Lunasix around your neck not "clutter"?
Are you saying Pentaxes didn't have motor drives? Huh, we will have to disagree on that one.
Also that Pentaxes are "minimal" because they don't (again, so you say) don't take a motor drive, while Nikons aren't because they do?
By this logic, the fact that your Nikon F can take an FTN finder means it isn't really "minimal", doesn't it?
I do agree with the rest of your post about using "minimal" cameras. Which is what I try to do, with Nikkormats and Rollei TLRs. Also now and then a Voigtlander Perkeo II and a Kodak Retina IIc - overlooking the Perkeo and the Rolleis which are MF and not really relevant to this thread, you can't really get more minimal than those.
All respectfully submitted for your critical consideration.
For all this kit-kit and yap-yap, this is a fun thread. Please carry on!
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