Metering off TV Screen - Strange Effect

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Steve Roberts

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Hi All,
A few days ago I shot some slides of part of a TV programme. Following my normal practice, I froze the frame using the 'pause' button on the TV decoder/hard drive. I stopped down the lens aperture to somewhere around f16 and prepared for the meter to give me a reading of around half to one second. (This technique avoids problems, as over the long exposure time the odd half a field here or there doesn't impact significantly on the overall number of fields/frames captured).
For the first time, I was using a Pentax MX rather than the KX that I've used in the past. Whilst determining the correct exposure via the five LEDs, I had the strangest effect whereby I could get all five LEDs to illuminate simultaneously instead of just one or occasionally two when the exposure falls in between.
My first reaction was that the MX's metering had died, but pointing it out of the window, it behaved quite normally. My conclusion was that whereas the KX or any other analogue needle-type metering system averages out rapidly fluctuating changes in brightness (as occur with a TV picture many times a second), the MX must take regular fairly short samples of the brightness level it sees, and depending on what point of a field scan it is sampling, sends a signal to the relevant LED in the viewfinder (in the most simple terms). Thus, if it sees the space in between fields, it sees a low light level and the -2 stops LED lights, then it sees half a field and the OK LED lights, then a full field and the +2 stop LED lights, plus proportionally for the +1 and -1 stop LEDS in between, all in rapid succession, leading to the appearance of all five LEDs being illuminated simultaneously. Anyway, that was the best explanation I could come up with! It couldn't be down to changing picture content, as the frame was frozen, but I don't know whether the decoder/hard drive employs a frame store or just keeps re-reading the relevant part of the hard disc.
For anyone with an MX who wants to try this, I was photographing a CRT screen, which in the UK is displaying 25 frames/50 fields per second. Perhaps in the US with 30/60 the effect would be different?
Any other thoughts?

Steve
 

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That's really interesting. It's possible if the 'refresh' rate of the LEDs is high, and there is no averaging circuit involved, that your explanation is correct. It seems like the LEDs that are flashing only part of the time would be dimmer, though. Could you see any difference in brightness of the top LEDs?
 

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Hello Steve,
I think the reason for this effect is that your camera possibly has a silicon photo diode measuring system which is much faster than the line repeating frequency of the TV. With a silicon diode you can also measure electronic flashes.
 
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By varying the shutter speed or aperture, I could make the OK, +1 & +2 overexposure LEDs light or those for OK, -1 & -2 underexposure, or bang in the middle all would light all five at the same brightness. I took this to be a fair stab at correct exposure and the resulting slides came out fine.
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Steve,

I noticed the exact same thing with my Canon EF, which indeed uses a silicon meter. My Pentax Spot meter and Canon AE-1P did not exhibit this same phenomenon. It's not a function of the LED's, because the AE-1P did just fine.

Good.. I'm not crazy! :D I'm glad to know why now.
 
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