Thank you both. I sold a hasselblad 203 fe to get the mamiya, and thought that it would be harder to part with the hassy but it was not so hard, the quality of the hassy glass was really nice but it just did not suit my shooting style. For the stuuf I get paid to do I use a canon dslr and when I can get away with it a leica which I much prefer, but it tends to be the canon which I have to admit to simply not enjoying using as much. I like aperture rings on lenses, I don't like buttons and wheels to turn and I like film over zeros and ones. The moment I snapped the lens on the mamiya it felt somewhat like a giant, mutated leica. The rangefinger felt nice, quick to focus and clear and the shutter was if anything quieter than a leica althought there is not too much in it. The camera begged to be used, and used it shall be today. Got a good deal too, 1200 dollars with 80, boxed and essentially unused, if I were to fingerprint it it would be clean.
Andy