medium format Kodak 500T/5219 for still photography?

[Arthur R.]

Hello, my colleague and I are working on a lighting and film project. We plan to use a medium format still camera with 6x7 and 6x9 120 backs. What we need is Kodak 500T 70mm cinematic film converted into medium format (120) rolls. The remjet layer does NOT need to be removed, our lab can take care of that.

Is there anyone who can do this for us? We will need 100 rolls

Thanks ahead.

 

[flavio81]

Hello, my colleague and I are working on a lighting and film project. We plan to use a medium format still camera with 6x7 and 6x9 120 backs. What we need is Kodak 500T 70mm cinematic film converted into medium format (120) rolls. The remjet layer does NOT need to be removed, our lab can take care of that.

Is there anyone who can do this for us? We will need 100 rolls

Thanks ahead.

Wow! How did you get the 500T roll?! Also, i doubt this is available as 70mm roll, only 65mm. Cameras for 70mm cine use 65mm negative film. The prints are 70mm.

As for the conversion, perhaps Lomography can do it? Or perhaps ADOX. Maybe Adox is your best bet.

In my opinion, it would be easier to use Portra 800 (120 format) and use an 80C filter to color correct, so it behaves like tungsten film of about 400 ISO.

 

[Arthur R.]

Wow! How did you get the 500T roll?! Also, i doubt this is available as 70mm roll, only 65mm. Cameras for 70mm cine use 65mm negative film. The prints are 70mm.

Yes. Good point. I mean 65mm cinematic tungsten Kodak Vision 3 500T, but we need it rolled into 120 format. People sell Vision 3 rolled for 35mm on ebay. I'm hoping Kodak also makes 65mm that can be rolled into 120.

 

[Arthur R.]

In my opinion, it would be easier to use Portra 800 (120 format) and use an 80C filter to color correct, so it behaves like tungsten film of about 400 ISO.

We've also been considering using daylight film and color correcting with a filter. Thanks for the hot mirror suggestion. A friend suggested using a blue gel filter https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/90467-REG/Rosco_101032032024_3203_3_4_Blue.html

Do you think that would work just as well, or are there advantages to a hot mirror filter?

 

[Arthur R.]

http://emulsive.org/articles/bulk-loading-120-film-using-65mm-kodak-250d-5207

People do roll 500T cinematic into 120 still format. Please, anyone feel free to suggest a seller who can do this for us

 

[MattKing]

Considering the problems Kodak is currently having with wrapper offset and 120 backing paper, I would be wary of using backing paper with film stock not designed for it.

 

[Arthur R.]

Considering the problems Kodak is currently having with wrapper offset and 120 backing paper, I would be wary of using backing paper with film stock not designed for it.

That's a good point. Well noted. Thank you.

 

[flavio81]

We've also been considering using daylight film and color correcting with a filter. Thanks for the hot mirror suggestion. A friend suggested using a blue gel filter https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/90467-REG/Rosco_101032032024_3203_3_4_Blue.html

Do you think that would work just as well, or are there advantages to a hot mirror filter?

I did not suggest to use a hot mirror filter.

An 80C (or B or A) is a filter designed specifically to convert from tungsten light to daylight. It is blue.

A hot mirror filter , filters out infrared.

 

[adelorenzo]

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They are making 120 rolls of 5219 sold as their '800T' film with the Remjet already removed.

 

[Arthur R.]

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They are making 120 rolls of 5219 sold as their '800T' film with the Remjet already removed.

I already checked them. I like their 135 product, but they do not offer it in 120 format yet. Also, because they remove the remjet there is halo around red lights. With remjet left on one avoids that.

 

[Arthur R.]

I did not suggest to use a hot mirror filter.

An 80C (or B or A) is a filter designed specifically to convert from tungsten light to daylight. It is blue.

A hot mirror filter , filters out infrared.

Noted. I'll definitely look into using Portra with an 80A/B/C filter. Thanks!

 

[eyetwist]

i've purchased and shot kodak 5219/500T cut down from 65mm to 120 from sellers in the UK and in hong kong. as far as i know, both are no longer offering the film for sale as its very labor intensive to trim the film and spool it, and the demand just wasn't there. someone who you might consider contacting is dean bennici in germany. he's the guy who cuts down the aerochrome color infrared to 120 format. perhaps he'd cut and spool the film for you if you supplied it and made him a good offer for his labor?

 

[Arthur R.]

i've purchased and shot kodak 5219/500T cut down from 65mm to 120 from sellers in the UK and in hong kong. as far as i know, both are no longer offering the film for sale as its very labor intensive to trim the film and spool it, and the demand just wasn't there. someone who you might consider contacting is dean bennici in germany. he's the guy who cuts down the aerochrome color infrared to 120 format. perhaps he'd cut and spool the film for you if you supplied it and made him a good offer for his labor?

Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely look into that.

 

[MattKing]

If the film retains its remjet I cannot see how the backing paper is going to have an offset effect.

The remjet is on the back of the film. The wrapper offset occurs when the numbers on the back of the paper contact the emulsion (front) of the next layer of the film and cause a reaction that shows up in those negatives.

 

[Chris Livsey]

The remjet is on the back of the film. The wrapper offset occurs when the numbers on the back of the paper contact the emulsion (front) of the next layer of the film and cause a reaction that shows up in those negatives.

Thank you, I have deleted my incorrect post.

 

[chassis]

Regarding halos around red lights, does this happen with red light sources only? It does it occur with red specular reflections, or red colors in general, for example with a piece of red clothing? Thanks.

 

[etn]

If you alread have the 70mm film, you could also look into a specific back for this kind of film - I am thinking specifically of the Hasselblad 70mm magazine. It will limit you to 6x6 format, though.
One point which needs to be checked is the compatibility of film and magazine. There are 2 types of film perforations. The magazine can only use one of them. If your film has the other kind of perforations it will not work.

 

[AgX]

If you alread have the 70mm film, you could also look into a specific back for this kind of film - I am thinking specifically of the Hasselblad 70mm magazine.

70mm aerial film format is NOT compatible with 70mm cine print format.

And this thread is about cine camera film which is even lesser in width.

 

[Chris Livsey]

Regarding halos around red lights, does this happen with red light sources only? It does it occur with red specular reflections, or red colors in general, for example with a piece of red clothing? Thanks.

You did state you were going to retain the remjet backing, this effect only occurs when that backing is removed before exposure. It is halation where light is reflected back through the emulsion from the rear surface of the base, or from anything behind the film, such as the pressure plate of the camera, and causing the effect around bright points.
This means the effect is independent of the colour of the light causing the halo it is only the intensity that matters.
Here is an example on Cine Still where the remjet is removed before exposure.

The effect is only with strong sources, here is an external shot in diffuse daylight with no halation sources so no effect, even from the small lights in the porch as the source is not strong enough to provoke the effect.
This was without a daylight filter on the tungsten film BTW.

 

[4o2ographic]

Hello, my colleague and I are working on a lighting and film project. We plan to use a medium format still camera with 6x7 and 6x9 120 backs. What we need is Kodak 500T 70mm cinematic film converted into medium format (120) rolls. The remjet layer does NOT need to be removed, our lab can take care of that.

Is there anyone who can do this for us? We will need 100 rolls

Thanks ahead.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/120-film-5-ro...%3A78b1c89415b0a6a8e7dbc3bafffa0e7b%7Ciid%3A1

 

[chassis]

Chris thanks for the clear reply.

 

[Chris Livsey]

Chris thanks for the clear reply.

No problem, love it when an old thread has life breathed in it.
The e-bay link film is a no go for me as it retains the remjet and I am not up to C41 processing at home, perhaps when the Kickstarter Lab-Box is finished though.

 

[trendland]

Hello, my colleague and I are working on a lighting and film project. We plan to use a medium format still camera with 6x7 and 6x9 120 backs. What we need is Kodak 500T 70mm cinematic film converted into medium format (120) rolls. The remjet layer does NOT need to be removed, our lab can take care of that.

Is there anyone who can do this for us? We will need 100 rolls

Thanks ahead.

Notice : Make first sure wich kind of medium format camera you will use.
You mentioned 6x7 - right ?
Most modern midt format cameras
do not need the backing paper.

Next thing : You should become friendly
with the idea to assemble the rolls you need yourself.
That should be the key of your problem.
You will need the 120 bobbins/reels from
someone with a darkroom who still develope 120 film.
I never throw them away - asked
myself often why ???
I have somewhere of 35 at home - but please don't ask - I don't want to ship
it overseas.
You will find somebody - advice one not
to wrap the backing paper from now on.

You will need it of cause for your self-asemble-rolls.

Now it becomes with some advantages
to you : If you are able to asemble rolls
in a length with is comfortable to you.

Rolls of 6 frames, rolls of 14 frames,
220 rolls as you like.

Therefore you handle all your rolls - with self assemble as 220 roll.

Backing paper at the beginning and the end of each roll.

You camera will wonder about 13 frames
it works for example with Pentax 6x7.
(Up to 21 frames ...... )

Forget to look for a company you can say that this is not realistic.

Shure you have to open one 120 film first
for messurement the lengths of your
backing paper.

At least you are free to buy film stocks
avaible as recans. 500T is indeed most in use.

As I understood correct you will need
the ammound of 100 rolls 120 film
because you would not affort 100rolls
500T ( 400ft/1000ft) - is that correct ?

One roll 120 will have a length somewhere in the near of 58cm.

So you will spent very lots of money
with this method.

And the ramjet should be no problem
for you - you mentioned it - so it is perfect.


Bon chance

 

[trendland]

tipping failure : of cause you will "safe"
lots of money.

with regards

 

[trendland]

Wow! How did you get the 500T roll?! Also, i doubt this is available as 70mm roll, only 65mm. Cameras for 70mm cine use 65mm negative film. The prints are 70mm.

As for the conversion, perhaps Lomography can do it? Or perhaps ADOX. Maybe Adox is your best bet.

In my opinion, it would be easier to use Portra 800 (120 format) and use an 80C filter to color correct, so it behaves like tungsten film of about 400 ISO.

Flavio as you know there is no difference between 65mm film and 120/220 film.

Cinefilm 65mm is double perforated yust like 35mm.
Still film 120/220 has the exact dimensions (not in the length of cause)

Hasselblatt Special Magazines uses
these double perforation for a lenght
of 30meter.

There are often misunderstandings with
70mm film.
Some say that 70mm is a special format
in projektion.
Yes thats true but it is yust the name.
The film is 65mm.
CineStill would havebeen bankrupt after 14 days of business if there is a difference.
This format comes from the 20th or let ud say from earlyer days - the facts are
not so important.
The importance in history is the regard
to 35mm.

It was allways the same format up to now.

The same is with 65mm film.

Comming at least back to 70mm why?

One player up to now : panavision.

Panavision give it the name : 70mm
because of the cameras.

And the big studios of cause.
Self-promotion - it sounds better:
"filmed in 70mm panavision"

Have had a colleague in the 90th
(camera assistent first unit) - he
comes from a panavision set.
Should have als ihm about - but have
had other problems with him.

It comes from the camera film cassettes.
Panavision cassettes have outside dimensions
of 70mm I would suppose -never
worked with.

with regards