Though I'm mostly a still photographer, I sometimes have fits where I must shoot a few mins of 16mm (100 feet at 24fps to be exact). At some point, I'll post a recent clip here, scanned in 4k.
Unlike still films, there are really just a few options for film stocks. There's plus-x negative, tri-x reversal (can process negative), kodak color negative, and some Foma films.
I, for one, am mesmerized by WW2 documentary footage and Amazon Prime has a super impressive collection. I watch it every night, it puts me out way better than any sleeping pill! Footage is sometimes low contrast, sometimes not, frequently poorly edited for basic tonal values.
Anyone know what the curve shapes of these old films were? I've been studying BTZS and want to start approximating them in a chemical process but I'm what I'm missing is access to old samples, to record densities.
Thanks!
Dave
...Plus-X has been discontinued for a little while. Instead we only have the much inferior DoubleX....
If you’re interested in old-time film making and have a 16mm camera, try some positive stock. These are cheap and wonderful for experimentation. Do you have a 16mm projector?
In fact, one cannot judge films’ photographic characters by what one sees on a TV or computer monitor. There is a categoric difference between a silver image projected in the dark and a RGB image rendered on a display. Closest would be a beamer image in the dark but that would be RGB, too. A monochrome beamer appears hard to be found and this would still make lines, no continuous picture.
You really need to define a look you are going for, before you can get there...
all over the map; a mixture of 16mm and 35mm footage of all types of filmstock, processing conditions and, as you see them now, multiple degrees of generational (copying) degradation.
There are more films available in the 16mm format.
Orwo Universal Negative 54, panchromatic, ISO 100;
Orwo Negative 74, panchro., ISO 400;
Orwo TF 12 d, ortho., ISO around 12, sound recording film;
Orwo Positive Film 2, non-sensitized, ISO around 9;
Orwo Positive Film 2 plus, same as PF 2 but with an antihalo undercoat;
Kodak 3302, non-sensitized positive film; ISO 8 to 10;
Kodak sound recording films bear W O R D S exposed in the image area.
When you say old films you probably mean old-fashioned which in turn means coarser grain, less balanced colour rendition, deeper shadows in projection. Do not confuse the image you see from scanned prints with a negative image. In fact, one cannot judge films’ photographic characters by what one sees on a TV or computer monitor. There is a categoric difference between a silver image projected in the dark and a RGB image rendered on a display.
This is what makes it interesting. Every shot has a distinct look. One can easily separate the careful 35mm footage of Hitler and Churchill from 16mm handheld field, as you point out, hastily shot and processed.
The first answer filmmakers do when they want the look of the era (say 50s) is go back to using the cameras, lenses, etc of that era. 16mm and 35mm cameras can be had (16mm being more within my budget). With effort, a camera in working condition with clean lenses from the era can be found. Film from that era cannot be found, nor can the age effect on film (without patience). I hope to approximate that in the chemical process.
It's a fair point that what we see on Netflix or broadcast TV poorly restored has limitations compared to what people actually saw in a theater projected back in the day. I'm thinking I want to start with what today's viewers see on TV as a lower bar; once printing and 16mm projection is within my means I'll rethink my strategy.
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