Many different questions about scanning

Vincent Boman

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Hello, my name is Vincent and I'm a first time poster here, but have read many threads before.
I have a number of different questions about scanning, pertaining to different formats and different techniques.
I shoot both 35mm and MF, but mostly 35mm. I only shoot Ektar 100.
I am now scanning both formats on a Epson V700, that I use free of charge at a local photo club.
The place is far from dust-free, and there is no complete set of film holders for the scanner.

So, I have begun looking into what scanner to buy for home use, and found some interesting alternatives, that I now want advice on.
Right now, a Nikon Coolscan 9000 seems to be the perfect choice for me, since it takes both formats I use, and produces high-quality scans. But for me it is a huge investment. I'm aware of the Hasselblad/Imacon scanners, but of course they are even huger investments that don't seem realistic to me.
If there is any other scanner that compares to the 9000 in the same price range, I would like to know about it.

But I'm also looking for alternatives to an all-in-one scanner. If there is a scanner that only takes 35mm and still produces great results, I am interested in also owning a flatbed scanner for MF, together with a holder from Betterscanning.
But I am unsure of which holder is the smoothest in use, while producing the best results.
I am split between the Variable Height Mounting Station, and the Dual MF holder, together with ANR glass. I wonder if wet mounting is worth the time and hassle compared to the more simple looking Dual holder.

The reason I am interested in owning two kinds is that I am unsure of if a good flatbed or the Coolscan 9000 produces the best results with MF.

So, to conclude, my main questions are:

If the Nikon Coolscan 9000 is the altogether best choice of a scanner, in terms of image quality and value for money.
Or if a flatbed together with a dedicated 35mm scanner produces the best result for each format, and what models of scanners there are to then look for.
And which of the Betterscanning holders would be the right choice for me, weighing in the relative hassle of wet mounting
and if it is even worth it.

Any answer to any of these questions are greatly appreciated.
 

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I'm not crazy about film resolution. But if I need sharp image withstanding large prints 120 film is good enough. My Epson V550 is totally enough for it as well. For 135 film I have latest Plustek. They were on periodical sale at BH.
You could also look at DSLR scanning.

Oh, I'm not crazy about film holders, either. All what needs to be done is to keep negatives in heavy book until they are flat.
It doesn't take long.
 
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I have the Nikon Coolscan 9000 - image quality can be excellent but scanner speed is not always that fast and it is worth being careful over the settings used for consistent results. The supplied glassless holder for 120 doesn't really keep the film flat and can result in blurry scans; whereas the rotating glass holder has a propensity to show Newton's rings even though it has a ANR glass layer - much more of an issue at this time of year (northern hemisphere). At the moment I'm thinking about investigating wet-mounted scans with the scanner to get rid of the rings.

NikonScan and VueScan both work well but with a slightly different approach.
 
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Vincent: What do you do with you scans? If it's just for putting on the web, showing digital slide shows on a 2K or 4K UHDTV, or not enlarging a print very much, a $200 V600 Epson should be sufficient. The IQ and dMAX is slightly less than a V700. Here are samples of my V600 scans of 35mm and 120 medium format. You'll find albums showing 35mm and medium format, all done with the V600. The 4x5 folder were done with a V850. But you only need a V700 or V800/850 for large format scans. They aren't necessary for 120 and 35mm.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanklein2000/albums
 
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Alan: I want to have the best possible scans, within my budget.
Had I been rich, I suppose I would have them drumscanned.
I don’t know how large prints I would want in the future, but I want to have my photos ready when they will be printed.
 

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I bought my Coolscan 5000 soon after its release after having tried most available desktop and minilab scanners then. I also bought an Epson V700 flatbed for medium and others but shortly got the 9000 because it made no sense to upgrade my film size only to degrade the results.
I recently also bought the Coolscan V because it was too cheap to pass up. The handling and results are exactly like that of the 5000 only slower but definitely faster then anything available especially when you turn on ICE.
I still maintain a Windows Vista PC in order to continue to use Nikonscan. If you are not adverse to risk of buying used and running an older PC then I recommend the Coolscans.
 
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Is it absolutely important to use an older PC? Recently a 9000 was for sale here in Stockholm for about 2700 dollars, and the seller said he was using it with Windows 10 without problem. He also said it could be used with Windows 7.
 

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Is it absolutely important to use an older PC? Recently a 9000 was for sale here in Stockholm for about 2700 dollars, and the seller said he was using it with Windows 10 without problem. He also said it could be used with Windows 7.
I believe you can use Vuescan (others too?) with the Coolscans with current OS. I just prefer to use Nikonscan straight up. I just use the PC strictly for scanning and was really cheap too.
 

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I believe you can use Vuescan (others too?) with the Coolscans with current OS. I just prefer to use Nikonscan straight up. I just use the PC strictly for scanning and was really cheap too.

Suspect a desktop machine for the scanner may be better as my Coolscan 9000 is connected to a Power Book G4 which isn't exactly fast when dealing with 550mb tif files.
 
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Are there any alternatives to the Coolscan 9000, as in a scanner that does both 35mm and MF?
What about the different kinds of Imacon scanners? As I understand it they need more service, is that right?
 

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Are there any alternatives to the Coolscan 9000, as in a scanner that does both 35mm and MF?
What about the different kinds of Imacon scanners? As I understand it they need more service, is that right?

Might be worth looking at the Plustek news Henning Serger has posted today - although I have no experience of this brand.
 

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How does 35mm scans from the Coolscan 5000 compare to the 9000? As I understand it is at least faster? How about the ICE, any difference between the two?
 
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Three thousands for obsolete device? I know rich people (they worked for it), they wouldn't do it.
Obsolete? In what sense? The ones on the market now don't rival the qualities of the old ones, at least not for 35mm.
 

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Obsolete? In what sense? The ones on the market now don't rival the qualities of the old ones, at least not for 35mm.
I remember reading somewhere that the Nikon 5000 and 9000 scanners are the "gold standard." Yes, they do have the obsoolete USB 2 instead of faster USB 3.
 

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Obsolete in terms of no longer being supported by the manufacturer, due in part to the unavailability of some parts.
When working properly, not obsolete in functionality.
 
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Obsolete in terms of no longer being supported by the manufacturer, due in part to the unavailability of some parts.
When working properly, not obsolete in functionality.
I haven't read much about the life span of a 9000 for example. But they are still selling, and it seems that if you service it regularly it'll keep working.
Just like with a Hasselblad or a Leica, and those aren't referred to as obsolete.
 

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I haven't read much about the life span of a 9000 for example. But they are still selling, and it seems that if you service it regularly it'll keep working.
Just like with a Hasselblad or a Leica, and those aren't referred to as obsolete.
It will keep working if you don't need one of the unavailable parts. In that case, the only option is to cannibalize another one.
The Nikon software support ended with Windows Vista.
It depends on your interpretation of the word "obsolete".
 

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Yup, all obsolete . . . but working just fine . . .



BTW, the Coolscan 9000+Nikonscan ICE is nothing short of astonishing especially when it comes to extremely dusty scratched up negatives. You won't need to worry about the cheap minilab handling. This one of Kodak 160VC color negative.


Full res version -> http://www.fototime.com/496ADC2265357CA/orig.jpg

Kodachrome not a problem either.


Full res version -> http://www.fototime.com/E3B7FD459E9EA9F/orig.jpg

Many have known - and maybe you will find out yourself, that the Coolscan+Nikonscan, will produce the best fully automatic results from film that were well captured with no pre or post required. This from Kodak Ektar 100.


Full res version -> http://www.fototime.com/EEA4F124C726025/orig.jpg

But from tens of thousands of frames scanned todate of various films I've tried, the one aspect that stands out to me is that scanning is completely uneventful.

For instance here is the same frame of Kodak Ektar 100 automatically scanned using my Epson V700 and Coolscan. Based on the results, you might think these were two different frames!



Same for minilab scans. This is the same frame of Kodak Gold 100 automatically scanned in a Noritsu minilab vs Coolscan.



Results from the Coolscan+Nikonscan are so clean and consistent it is easy to make panos stitching multiple frames of film such as 4 frames of Kodak Ektar 100.

 
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Certainly a good review of the 9000/5000. How has your experience been with those, regarding technical errors and need for service?
 
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