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First off, I understand the risks involved with Nitrogen Dioxide and strong acids.

Has anyone here done the procedure? It seems straight forward, and a real saver.

Would industrial silver .999+ grade be suitable for photographic grade silver nitrate? For example I could buy 10oz from here and produce silver nitrate at below half cost.

What am I missing here?
 
NO2 is quite toxic and really should be used as an aqueous mix which forms HNO3. You would have to boil the Silver in HNO3 and then purify the residue. It is a messy process. Factor in the time and energy needed to dissolve the silver and you are probably up to the cost of commercial product. Add in purification costs and you may top the commercial cost.

PE
 
Thanks PE,

Purification costs: thats the gotcha. Just out of curiosity, do you know what goes into purifying silver nitrate?

If its not too bad i might give it a go for bragging rights :wink:

Also, what purity is recommended? Can i get away with 99.95 or do i have to get 99.995?
 
++ on HNO3 being nasty stuff to work with. Has a bad habit of making things that were not previously flamable/explosive/not covered with skin in to surfaces that are flammable/explosive/no longer covered with skin.

I'm not sure why you would have to purify the residual AgNO3 after reaction would be required, if the reagents going into the reaction were pure, but I'm guessing that even if it was easy for the home user to get high-grade Red Fuming Nitric Acid, it's not as pure as what, say, Kodak, can get - same for the silver. If PE has the time to iluminate why purification is needed, (purely for curiosity sake, I've no intention of making AgNO3) I'd love to hear it.

I've considred doing it, not for the cost, but for the bragging rites and a penchant for reinventing not only the wheel, but also growing the tree, building a mill and sawing the lumber used to make the wheel. In the end, though, I decided I'd just rather not have HNO3 around the house, due to it's rather nasty disposition. Had I a proper lab and chemical room, hood, wash down station, and all the sorts of safety gear I had back when I had access to a "real" lab, then perhaps I'd give it a go, but my office -turned darkroom is just not the right place to handle the stuff.
 
Purification is needed to remove all traces of NO2 and HNO3. This involves recrystallization from Deionized Distilled Water. It also involves removal of the inevitable "crud" that may form from side reactions.

The final crystals should look like mica flakes.

PE
 
You don't want to do this. You really don't want to do this. All the people down wind from you don't want you to do this.

On the other hand, if you are without issue, it may qualify you for a Darwin Award.
 
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As teenage boys, in my day (around the launch of the Sputnik), instead of surfing trains, burning rubber, or grafittiing walls, we used to con our long-suffering mothers into signing permission slips and head off to the local manufacturing chemist (Selby's) and spend our pocket money on Winchester Quarts of concentrated Sulphuric and Nitric acids (which we carried home on the bars of our bicycles) and spend out spare time dissolving collectable silver coinage and our parents silver cutlery in Nitric acid in order to make constituents for silver fulminate to use in detonators for our home-made nitro-cellulose.

The wonder of it is that we all made it through adolescence with all our fingers and eyes intact!:surprised:

Some of us even became productive citizens, with PhDs to prove it. :smile:

Even though plenty of reddish nitrous oxide fumes were generated, none of us appeared to suffer any effects (just don't breathe it in) and the products of our backyard experiments resulted in some very satisfying loud bangs; as well as some problems with the less than understanding neighbours.:tongue:

I guess that interest in hands-on basic science is no longer in fashion, and would more than likely become the subject of a Homeland Security investigation in these these less carefree times:sad:

In our day, the librarians had not yet removed all the interesting books on applied chemistry from the bookshelves, and much voluntary study was engaged thereupon.:tongue:

Anyway, the point is that our home-made silver nitrate worked just fine for the intended task (just make sure to read up about its less desirable properties and take care not to splash any of it, and especially the Nitric Acid, on yourself at any time. It is quite caustic!)
 
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