Making a brown warmtone print developer using ammonium thiocyanate

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So I've recently been messing with a really crazy developer formula which produces a unique warmtone print. Specifically, it'll give dark brown-olive blacks and brown or sometimes orange highlights and midtones. I'm really not a fan of how every modern warmtone developer produces a deep olive green kind of warmtone, so the browns and reds are what I'm more looking for. I've not been able to figure out how to get that though until now (excluding lith prints of course), at least not without bleaching and redev or toning.

I began adding ammonium thiocyanate. Normally very much of this at all will very easily cause fogging, any level above 0.05g/L without care will produce fog in my tests. However, the fogging can be prevented with benzotriazole. In my tests, my developer could go all the way up to 2g/L without fog or dichroic fog/sludging if matched with 0.3g/L BZT. Beyond this level though, dichroic fog and sludging begin to appear which can not be prevented with BZT.

Anyway, the formula I tried is this: GVPX1 (not in mixing order)
* 3g glycin
* 6g ascorbic acid
* 25g sodium sulfite
* 20g potassium carbonate
* 1.5g sodium hydroxide
* 40ml triethanolamine 99% (source: photographer's formulary)
* 2g ammonium thiocyanate
* 0.3g benzotriazole
* 0.2g potassium bromide
* 2g sodium chloride
* top to 1L with water

The idea here is to make an extremely solvent developer which will give very fine grain on a print, translating to brown warm tones. This it actually does work really well for... but the developer quickly changes after just a few prints and shifts from brown to green or neutral tones. The developer otherwise seems stable keeping development action after 1 day in an open tray, but changes quickly with each sheet of paper developed. I'd estimate I got maybe 6 sheets of 8x10 from it before it lost the effect. Specific papers I've confirmed will give this effect include Ilford MGV RC, Ilford MGFB, and Arista.EDU Ultra FB (more subtle, cold brown)

The biggest problems I have are the depth of blacks, development time requirement, and the very small print capacity. The blacks can be a bit of a challenge as I believe I'm getting "veiling" in large blocks of shadows which modern papers are specifically designed to prevent apparently. It's not a problem with all subjects, but with low key subjects it can be a pretty ugly look. Increasing pH using carbonate doesn't do much to fix it, increasing pH with sodium hydroxide does fix it quite well, or at least eliminates the effect. Development times range from 3-8 minutes. This developer tends to look best though when not 100% developed to completion, rather I tend to pull when blacks look dark enough and shadows have enough density. Again, adding hydroxide speeds up development, but since hydroxide is so powerful it requires very careful balancing to avoid going overboard with. This is another capacity issue.

Finally, the small print capacity is especially weird. When freshly mixed there's a very mild ammonia smell which dissipates after a few minutes. The first 3 or 4 prints developed in this will cause the developer to release more ammonia smell, sometimes it can be a bit much honestly. This doesn't happen when just sitting in the tray. However, after 10 prints, the smell when developing is almost completely gone. By this point as well, there is no longer a good brown tone and the color has shifted to green or neutral.

In addition, the developer itself would very quickly get dark with all of the silver being taken off the paper. It's quite nearly a monobath to be honest. This doesn't seem to affect actual developer performance nor cause staining as long as you're careful not to push any silver into the image area.

When the developer seemed dead to get the brown tone, I tried adding 2g more ammonium thiocyanate. The next print had a significant amount of silver sludging, BUT was beyond brown and into the red tones. After 4 prints, it was still somewhat red, but more subdued. This may have been due to pH adjustments though.

Now, why I'm posting all this here. Does someone who knows more about the chemistry happening here have any hints on fixing any of these problems, especially the print capacity? My rough guess is that the ammonium in solution is less important than the thiocyanate for giving the specific color I'm looking for. However, I don't understand why the ammonium seems to quickly get used up. I do have some ammonium chloride and it's cheap to order online (aquarium chemical), but I'd rather not have to be replenishing the ammonium salt every 3 prints, especially since chloride brings it's own problems to be using for replenishment. I could use some kind of dirty household ammonia, but don't have a good source of concentrated stuff, and honestly had rather not handle it in a limited ventilation darkroom anyway. I just want some way of keeping the ammonium in solution somehow. My target for replenishment is more like 20 8x10 prints per liter unless I reformulate things to be a bit more economical.

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Not something I've tried as Glycin isn't available here in the UK and when I worked on Warm tone developers it was way before the Internet and shipping from abroad.

Essentially with warm tone papers the finer the grain the warmer the tones, so you want quite a fine grain print developer. Ammonium Thiocyanate added to a developer is a Silver solvent and improves the fineness of grain but can cause Dichroic fog with some emulsions.

Seems rather a complex developer but if it works with Bromide papers to give warm tones is worth a look.

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Not something I've tried as Glycin isn't available here in the UK and when I worked on Warm tone developers it was way before the Internet and shipping from abroad.

Essentially with warm tone papers the finer the grain the warmer the tones, so you want quite a fine grain print developer. Ammonium Thiocyanate added to a developer is a Silver solvent and improves the fineness of grain but can cause Dichroic fog with some emulsions.

Seems rather a complex developer but if it works with Bromide papers to give warm tones is worth a look.

Ian

I used glycin because I know it can be a fairly solvent developer. If I could source PPD, it'd likely be the most effective for this. If the ammonium is the key part though, in theory I could use any existing developer formula as long as it's balanced to be very clean working. This developer specifically, despite the high pH (even spiking with an additional 3g of hydroxide) will give absolutely no fog before adding the thiocyanate and benzotriazole. It actually acts as a somewhat cold tone developer when leaving those two ingredients out. Specifically, I'd like to try making this as a MQ developer instead. PQ I believe would act too fast for the ammonium thiocyanate to get a chance to etch things away, but maybe that's a good thing if there's the right amount? either way, definitely more research to be done

Since pure bromide papers are no longer a thing, and even chloride papers are very rare, unfortunately we're stuck with chlorobromide. I've considered making my own bromide paper, but hand coated stuff is so fragile that I doubt it'd hold up in a crazy developer like this
 
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So, doing some research online and through the super fine grain developer section of Film Developing Cookbook, I'm considering an alternative route. Although I think glycin could be replaced, it apparently gives better toe (in print terms, highlight) detail and basically enforces a linear low-density contrast curve while whatever the other developer is, will act primarily on the high density curve. This explains why my glycin+ascorbic acid reacts to give much deeper shadows and black tones when adding ascorbic acid even without adjusting pH to compensate. However, using metol or phenidone would allow a much lower pH to be used, not requiring any hydroxide. Ascorbic acid here I believe adds nothing over hydroquinone here. Phenidone I worry about the kinetics of though. It tends to develop things quite fast and to full speed and for this is potentially a very neutral or somewhat cold tone agent to use on paper. Metol I worry about getting deep enough black tones with a lower pH.

I just happened to get some CD3 in for making some ECN-2 chemicals, and all of the color developers are relatives to PPD and thus can act as silver solvents. CD3 specifically I believe is less active than PPD though as a developing agent. Unsure any PPD relative has ever been a part of any print developer before, so definitely going into uncharted territory here though. Probably quite likely to increase tendency toward dichroic fogging.

The other key thing I believe is that some thiocyanate is required to increase solvency, but I need more of the ammonium component specifically. Ammonium chloride would be ideal for an easily available salt to provide the ammonium, but chloride itself is known to be more solvent on high density areas than low density areas, hence, decaying black levels further. Regardless, I believe I can balance it out without resorting to the more expensive and harder to source ammonium bromide. I can't get a good source of aqueous ammonia and in general had rather work with solid salts anyway as they're a bit safer.

The TEA addition I'm not 100% sure is helping much. It may have some additive effect with ammonia, but alone even in fairly high concentrations (100ml/L) I've not observed any hint of dichroic fogging, no physical only development, and only slight grain decreasing effects on film. The only connection I can find is ethanolamine, a related compound, which does decrease graininess by a measurable amount. However it's also very smelly and not something I want to have in my darkroom even if I had a good source of it.

For the problem of ammonia evaporating from the solution, I found a published paper that basically says that glycerol will dramatically decrease the rate by which ammonia leaves an aqueous solution. Specifically, by about 5x less, but for a fairly high concentration of ammonia (9%). Regardless, it's a harmless addition otherwise.

So, my current thoughts are a working solution formula something along these lines:

* 5g metol
* 5g hydroquinone
* 40g sulfite
* 1g ammonium thiocyanate
* 3g ammonium chloride
* 0.2g benzotriazole
* 50ml TEA (used here for pH reasons)
* 15ml glycerol
* ??? some mystery buffer agent to get pH higher if needed?

Specifically, I think it'd be best to avoid carbonate here as carbonate will destroy ammonia as it is neutralized. Since the real life of this developer relies on keeping the ammonia alive in solution, rather than keeping the developing agents from oxidizing.
 
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Alright, so my latest formulation seems a lot more stable. It at least lasts 2 hours and ~20 8x10 prints

  • 700ml of hot water
  • “pinch” of sulfite
  • 1.5g metol
  • 30g sodium sulfite
  • 5g hydroquinone
  • 50ml triethanolamine 99% (commercial grade TEA is not suitable, sourced from Photographer’s Formulary)
  • 15ml glycerol/glycerin (without this, tray life and ammonia smell will likely be much worse)
  • 0.15g benzotriazole
  • 6g ammonium chloride
  • 0.5g ammonium bromide (can be replaced with potassium bromide, or completely excluded and replaced with more benzotriazole for less olive midtones)
  • 1g ammonium thiocyanate
  • 12g sodium metaborate (note: can be made in solution by borax + sodium hydroxide in molar ratios)
  • Top to 1L
  • Measured pH, 9.5-10
One important note though is that a good stop bath is absolutely required. Just using a water rinse will cause edge staining.
 
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