Major underdeveloped film fix ..urgent

Rimmi · Jan 12, 2017

Hey guys

I am absolutely new to world of film development and have massively damaged a film.This is c41 film, and we develop it in a machine that has 4 chambers of bleach, fixer, developer and stabilizer. The optimum temp was supposed to be 38F I believe. But I fed the roll in the machine at 21F.
The film (obvious to you all) came out too thin. I can't see no shadows on it or any possible imprint.

Do you think feeding it to the machine again, with bit more bleach and at 38F will make any difference.

Please help.

Sirius Glass · Jan 12, 2017

Welcome to APUG

Sorry about your problem. If anyone will know how to correct this, it will be PE. Stay tuned. Film at 11.

Ian Grant · Jan 12, 2017

it's too late now as the film has been fixed, also you are mixing ºF for ºC C41 runs at 38ºC. There's nothing you can do to save it now.

Ian

Rimmi · Jan 12, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
Welcome to APUG

Sorry about your problem. If anyone will know how to correct this, it will be PE. Stay tuned. Film at 11.

Hey

I am a proper amateur at this. So...what is PE.
Thanks

Rimmi · Jan 12, 2017

Ian Grant said:
it's too late now as the film has been fixed, also you are mixing ºF for ºC C41 runs at 38ºC. There's nothing you can do to save it now.

Ian

Hey

As a last resort can I still make it go through the process once again. Will that do further damage.

bvy · Jan 12, 2017

If there was no adjustment to the standard 3:15 development time, then I think the film has been irreparably underdeveloped.

bvy · Jan 12, 2017

Rimmi said:
Hey

I am a proper amateur at this. So...what is PE.
Thanks

Photo Engineer. Ron Mowrey, long time Kodak technician.

RattyMouse · Jan 12, 2017

Rimmi said:
Hey

I am a proper amateur at this. So...what is PE.
Thanks

PE = Photo Engineer, a forum member and expert at everything photochemical. Sadly I dont think you have any options to save your film.

Ian Grant · Jan 12, 2017

Rimmi said:
Hey

As a last resort can I still make it go through the process once again. Will that do further damage.

Yes it may well contaminate the developer in the machine and it won't do anything once the film has been through bleach and fixed it can't be redeveloped. Most machines now are wash-less so traces of fixer are left in the film this is detrimental to the developer.

Ian

Prof_Pixel · Jan 12, 2017

Rimmi said:
This is c41 film, and we develop it in a machine that has 4 chambers of bleach, fixer, developer and stabilizer.

If that was the sequence the chemicals were used (and you ran the film through the bleach and fixer before the developer), that's your problem! The sequence should be, developer, bleach, fixer and stabilizer.

pbromaghin · Jan 12, 2017

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Photo Engineer · Jan 12, 2017

The process is to be run at 100F or 38C and is now unrepairable. Once color is bleached and fixed, it cannot be changed.

PE

Photo Engineer · Jan 12, 2017

BTW, 21F is below freezing. Something is wrong with the units or temp in the OP.

PE

Sirius Glass · Jan 12, 2017

Probably meant 21C

Rimmi · Jan 13, 2017

yes. I meant 21degrees. thanks guys. that eliminates the unsuccessful possibilities. Now I can concentrate on coming up with an excuse and preparing an apology.
What a eye opener.
Thank you all.

Ricardo Miranda · Jan 13, 2017

Rimmi said:
yes. I meant 21degrees. thanks guys. that eliminates the unsuccessful possibilities. Now I can concentrate on coming up with an excuse and preparing an apology.
What a eye opener.
Thank you all.

Hello,
Why do you need to prepare an apology?

Helinophoto · Jan 13, 2017

Sounds like a favor for someone, a new procedure should always be tested beforehand, to make sure it actually works.

Lesson learned =)

bvy · Jan 13, 2017

"we develop it in a machine" made me believe he/she works in a lab.

georgegrosu · Jan 13, 2017

People who work in a film processing laboratory must always tell the truth.
A person in a laboratory processing that begins with lies, sooner or later will go to the dogs.
The truth is the best the lie to use.

George

Sirius Glass · Jan 13, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
Probably meant 21C

Rimmi said:
yes. I meant 21degrees. thanks guys. that eliminates the unsuccessful possibilities. Now I can concentrate on coming up with an excuse and preparing an apology.
What a eye opener.
Thank you all.

The OP just wanted everyone to understand that it was not 21 degrees Kevin nor 21 degrees Rankine.

pbromaghin · Jan 13, 2017

Rimmi said:
yes. I meant 21degrees. thanks guys. that eliminates the unsuccessful possibilities. Now I can concentrate on coming up with an excuse and preparing an apology.
What a eye opener.
Thank you all.

If you were developing for somebody else, it's best to just tell them you made a major mistake and ruined their film. Yes, prepare an apology and try to make them whole in some way, but forget making any excuses. While people will forgive mistakes, they will not forgive hiding from them.

tezzasmall · Jan 18, 2017

So I presume that an 'intensifier solution' that can be used with b/w film, can't be used with a c41 film, as it's dye rather than silver we're dealing with I suppose?

Terry S

dE fENDER · Jan 18, 2017

tezzasmall said:
So I presume that an 'intensifier solution' that can be used with b/w film, can't be used with a c41 film, as it's dye rather than silver we're dealing with I suppose?

Terry S

Nope. There are some methods of intensification that can be apply during C-41 process, but after blixing they are unavailable.

RPC · Jan 18, 2017

Some lab machines will not allow you to run anything through them until they have reached the proper temperature. Sadly, sounds like this is not one of them.

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