ditto!I don't know how a business can operate when less than three percent of the users are subscribers.
I think this is the key. I believe you and the other mods will have your work cut out for you, but I'm willing to trust that everyone is up to the task.Keeping the streams separate will be a challenge, more from the social perspective than the technical
I plan to continue to ignore Dinesh on all platforms.
Conversely, people might end up having to search the entire site - including the digital portion - to find posts relevant to an analog process they are interested in. I already have to do that on other sites, which is part of what had made APUG more compelling to me.
I know - that was my point.Hi Truzi, search results will be tied to what areas you have enabled/disabled. If you only have APUG enabled there will be no search results other than APUG forums.
Let's say APUG member #1 has developed a really obscure process, say enlarging colour slide film onto black and white ortho film to make an enlarged negative to use to make a cyanotype. At the end of the process he digitized the cyanotype so he could clone stamp out some artifacts and adjust contrast. Since digital was part of his workflow to achieve the final result, he follows the correct procedure and posts about his process under the "hybrid" section.
A couple years later APUG member #2 comes along and decides she wants to make a cyanotype out of a colour slide she has, but she doesn't know where to start. She decides to search the forums on APUG to figure out how to achieve this goal. Unfortunately, because she has checked the "analog-only button", she misses out on the analog parts of the process that APUG member #1 described. Now APUG member #2 either has to:
1) Forge her own way forward (which seems to me like APUG has failed her since the answers to her queries exist, but cannot be accessed by her.),
2) Make a new thread (which dilutes the site with many threads on the same subject, also problematic since the APUG member #1 may not be active anymore on the site, might miss the post, or might be tired of repeating his findings when he already described them elsewhere), or
3) Unclick the "analog-only" button and search the other areas of the site (hybrid/digital) to find posts relevant to an analog process they are interested in.
This is an unfortunate loss to those members who check the "analog only" button. Or consider if the thread starts off as purely analog, but drifts to digital and so it is (rightly) moved to the hybrid area. Moving the thread is the right decision, but it moves a lot of information about an analog process to a forum which may be unavailable to members who are most interested in it. This represents a significant loss to members with the "analog only" button clicked coming back to look for this thread. Just a word of caution since this site's greatest asset is that it is absolutely the best place for discussions on traditional/chemical/wet/alternative/analog/... processes. It's a super special place and it's something to treasure. Thanks Sean and mods for working hard to make it work.
I think this is maybe the kind of scenario that Truzi was getting at.
I'm sorry I keep posting these cautionary remarks, I'm done now. I trust you guys, and the only way is onward and forward. I'm wishing you all the best and I'm looking forward to the upgrades. I'm sure it will be a much more inviting community for those coming to analog from the first time, which have potentially been undervalued in the past. We need them here for the continuation of APUG into the future. All the best,
Ian
I know - that was my point.
Imagine there was a very good thread about developing C-41 as B&W, with excellent information, and the thread drifted to scanning to such a point that it is moved to DPUG.
Let us then say I come on as a new member, interested in developing C-41 as B&W, and not interested in scanning. I would likely not find the information.
I might create a new thread asking about this process, and we know how forums everywhere appreciate new threads on the same old subjects
Perhaps someone may then refer me to DPUG - and if I do find the information useful, I will have learned that I may indeed need to search everything just to find the analog information I seek.
On the other hand, if the thread drifts to scanning, and those posts were relocated to DPUG, leaving the C-41 as B&W parts in APUG, there will likely be some confusion, frustration, and lack of continuity. Off-topic posts that are merely deleted without a trace might also result in ill-will and a lack of confidence. Then again, they may not - I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.
The technical aspects are the easy part. Decisions regarding when to move/delete posts/threads may prove difficult to codify in a consistent manner (this can presently be scene on APUG alone when comparing similar posts in the same sub-fora, where one remains, yet another disappears into oblivion - without even a place-marker like the old system - both having been equally off-topic or "offensive").
Don't get me wrong - I like the idea of being able to switch between or view both APUG and DPUG. It is a noble idea. I've perused DPUG as a non-member, but have found better resources elsewhere.
APUG, however, is yet unequaled.
EDIT: It seems I took too long to compose my post, as Ian just covered much of the same material.
I find google superior for most site searches, APUG has a google tie in which should provide the same results from google (are you saying the results are different? I'll have a look) , also the advanced search is an internal search database.With all due respect, I still use Google with "site:apug.org" as I find it gives me better results (and I like the formatting better). Odd, as I believe APUG's search is powered by Google. I've not figured that out yet, lol.
I know - that was my point.
Imagine there was a very good thread about developing C-41 as B&W, with excellent information, and the thread drifted to scanning to such a point that it is moved to DPUG.
Let us then say I come on as a new member, interested in developing C-41 as B&W, and not interested in scanning. I would likely not find the information.
I might create a new thread asking about this process, and we know how forums everywhere appreciate new threads on the same old subjects
Perhaps someone may then refer me to DPUG - and if I do find the information useful, I will have learned that I may indeed need to search everything just to find the analog information I seek.
On the other hand, if the thread drifts to scanning, and those posts were relocated to DPUG, leaving the C-41 as B&W parts in APUG, there will likely be some confusion, frustration, and lack of continuity. Off-topic posts that are merely deleted without a trace might also result in ill-will and a lack of confidence. Then again, they may not - I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.
The technical aspects are the easy part. Decisions regarding when to move/delete posts/threads may prove difficult to codify in a consistent manner (this can presently be scene on APUG alone when comparing similar posts in the same sub-fora, where one remains, yet another disappears into oblivion - without even a place-marker like the old system - both having been equally off-topic or "offensive").
Don't get me wrong - I like the idea of being able to switch between or view both APUG and DPUG. It is a noble idea. I've perused DPUG as a non-member, but have found better resources elsewhere.
APUG, however, is yet unequaled.
EDIT: It seems I took too long to compose my post, as Ian just covered much of the same material.
So a few factors need to be examined on what to do with it at that point. Of the top of my head:
1. did the OP intend for the thread to be a 100% analog thread? If yes, it should be steered back.
2: did the OP post a thread in the wrong space (it was suited for hybrid from the start)
3. if the thread off-topic posts are valuable content they could be split to a new thread in the hybrid area with a redirect in the thread for those who were involved "These off-topic posts have been moved to a new thread, you can continue discussions there".
Photrio.com
-APUG enabled, Hybridphoto disabled, DPUG disabled = APUG.ORG as you currently know it now
True, but towards my point, it negates, in practice, keeping things separate.hopefuly there are people who have more than 1 half of the site clicked on
and they might respond to the user and say " hey, here is a link to exactly what you are looking for"
and then that person might follow the link see the wealth of information he or she is missing and click on
another half of the site "by default". the same thing happens today when something has to do with
something off-site /// either via PM, in thread or whatever
i think the new site is gonna be pretty badass, can can't wait.
Very well stated!Luckily, lenses are usually interchangeable between bodies, irrelevant of media used, which means that most major lens-makers could benefit from having their ads here.
I use state of the art, Canon L-glass with my Canon 1v and my EOS 30, and it would be no problem using anything from Tamron, Sigma or Canon, should they release a new lens in the future.
Just saying, it's easy to forget that ^^
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