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Hey all,

Long time since I've been on the forum, but I've just found out that I'm going to be sent to Madrid in a week for a couple of meetings. I will have a weekend to myself (4-5 March), plus my RZ67 and a tripod. I will probably be in a (TBD) hotel somewhere near the middle of the city, and mostly on-foot.

I know *nothing* about Spain, let alone Madrid.

What the hell do I go see?
 

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Welcome back. Wow, lucky you! Madrid is a very nice city and easy to explore on foot & metro. I was there about 10 years ago. I still shot slide film Can't give you any tips other than get a small city guide book like the one of Lonely Planet (or as PDF on your phone). It likely won't be crowded with tourists yet in March so even the main attractions will be enjoyable. Lots to see. Check YouTube for Madrid videos.
 

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Perhaps you can send a PM to (there was a url link here which no longer exists), he is a APUG member who lives there, he's a wonderful person, and I'm sure he will be glad to help you with everything you need.

Best of luck, and enjoy your trip
 

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Madrid is really beautiful. What I remember most is the big park in the center of the city (El Retiro). It's really big and besides plenty of nature to photograph, there are beautiful monuments, statues, etc. If I'm not mistaken, it's pretty close to the museum of modern art and El Prado, both highly recommendable.
Honestly, my approach to any European city when I have limited time is: visit one or two places the city is famous for and then just walk the streets. You're bound to always find something interesting. Also, I eat as much as I can, you know, to be able to properly critique the cuisine :D
 

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I know *nothing* about Spain, let alone Madrid.

Read about the Spanish civil war* and the subsequent dictatorship by Francisco Franco. Spain is a combination of different nations, each one with its own culture and language. During the (fascist) dictatorship, they were all forced into cultural repression (i.e. only one language accepted), which created resentment that lingers on still today. Coupled with a very orthodox and puritan Catholic society (forced that way due to the dictatorship), which then was followed by a radical, bombastic "coming out of the closet" (particularly in Madrid, late 70s) as soon as Franco died, makes them a complex society, and make them a bit different than the rest of europe (Spain was rather isolated from the rest of the EU during the Franco years).

* probably the most terrible war of the last 100 years. Estimate: 500,000 dead.
 

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Since you're doing what is presumably a business meeting, my advice for doing business with a purebred Madrilenian, is to keep in mind that, while people from Madrid pride themselves in being straight talkers who do not beat around the bush, I don't think the average Madrilenian likes to reveal his/her true, deepest feelings. People from other parts of Spain, for example Basque people, can be just the opposite.

There have been nationwide polls in Spain about the stereotypes that spaniards have against each other, that seem to support these traits.

Also, the "straight talking", "straight to the point" way of people from Madrid might make them seem rude, which is not the case; quite the opposite, they want to socialize.
 

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Read about the Spanish civil war* and the subsequent dictatorship by Francisco Franco. Spain is a combination of different nations, each one with its own culture and language. During the (fascist) dictatorship, they were all forced into cultural repression (i.e. only one language accepted), which created resentment that lingers on still today. Coupled with a very orthodox and puritan Catholic society (forced that way due to the dictatorship), which then was followed by a radical, bombastic "coming out of the closet" (particularly in Madrid, late 70s) as soon as Franco died, makes them a complex society, and make them a bit different than the rest of europe (Spain was rather isolated from the rest of the EU during the Franco years).

* probably the most terrible war of the last 100 years. Estimate: 500,000 dead.

Since you're doing what is presumably a business meeting, my advice for doing business with a purebred Madrilenian, is to keep in mind that, while people from Madrid pride themselves in being straight talkers who do not beat around the bush, I don't think the average Madrilenian likes to reveal his/her true, deepest feelings. People from other parts of Spain, for example Basque people, can be just the opposite.

There have been nationwide polls in Spain about the stereotypes that spaniards have against each other, that seem to support these traits.

Also, the "straight talking", "straight to the point" way of people from Madrid might make them seem rude, which is not the case; quite the opposite, they want to socialize.

Excuse me Flavio81

After reading this two posts, I realised that there is something quite worse than knowing nothing about, and it is knowing things wrong.

Estimado Flavio, no tengo idea de donde sacas ese concepto tan erroneo sobre Espana y su gente. Y ademas creo que se desvia un buen trecho de lo solicitado en el Post de Origen, sobre la ciudad de Madrid.

Me produce tristeza que alguien tenga esa imagen mental de mi pais! Y me encantaria que la mirada de cualquier fotografo viese no solo Espana sino cualquier otro paus de un modo menos simple y mas abierto. He viajado por cuatro de los cinco continentes y no significando esto nada en mi pasaporte como persona, tan solo me convierte en viajero, sin embargo de ningun pais viajado se me ocurriria un resumen o unos comentarios semejantes.

Confio que cualquier visitante, Polyglot en este caso, aunque lleve en la mochila una idea previa asi elaborada por ti, saque otra mejor conclusion que tu. Lo siento por tus opiniones y disculpa mi sinceridad.

Un afectuoso saludo

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Dear Flavio, I have no idea where you get such a misconception about Spain and its people. And I also think that it diverts a good part of what was requested in the Original Post, which is about the city of Madrid.

It makes me sad that someone has that mental image of my country! And I would love that any other look of any photographer to see Spain or any other country in a less simple and more open minded way. I have traveled on four of the five continents and this does not mean anything in my passport as a person, it only makes me a traveler, however from no country visited would I come up with a summary or similar comments.

I trust that any visitor, Polyglot in this case, even if he carries in his backpack a previous idea thus elaborated, finally obtain another better conclusion than you. I am sorry for your opinions and I apologize for my sincerity.

Warm regards!
 
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Dear Flavio, I have no idea where you get such a misconception about Spain and its people. And I also think that it diverts a good part of what was requested in the Original Post, which is about the city of Madrid.

It makes me sad that someone has that mental image of my country! (...)

Hi LAG,

Besides my opinion of people from Madrid being sociable yet deeply reserved, i would like to know what is the misconception you talked about. I just mentioned quickly an overview of the events that shaped Spain in the last 100 years -- the civil war and what came after. Additionally i indicated that people in Madrid are not rude, although they might seem so (a common complaint here in my country).

As of my claims of Spain having been "a very orthodox and puritan Catholic society (forced that way due to the dictatorship), which then was followed by a radical, bombastic "coming out of the closet"" , i can't see how this could be offensive or a misconception; i mean, the "movida madrileña" (countercultural movement that appeared immediately after the end of the dictatorship) is one of the greatest things that happened in Spain and gave way to amazing art (movies, music, etc); which simultaneously underlines and confirms the previous repressive and conservative society. This is not only my view, there are hundreds of movies, books, etc built around these premises, so I fail to understand where the "misconception" is.

Regards,
F.
 

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Hi LAG,

Besides my opinion of people from Madrid being sociable yet deeply reserved, i would like to know what is the misconception you talked about. I just mentioned quickly an overview of the events that shaped Spain in the last 100 years -- the civil war and what came after. Additionally i indicated that people in Madrid are not rude, although they might seem so (a common complaint here in my country).

As of my claims of Spain having been "a very orthodox and puritan Catholic society (forced that way due to the dictatorship), which then was followed by a radical, bombastic "coming out of the closet"" , i can't see how this could be offensive or a misconception; i mean, the "movida madrileña" (countercultural movement that appeared immediately after the end of the dictatorship) is one of the greatest things that happened in Spain and gave way to amazing art (movies, music, etc); which simultaneously underlines and confirms the previous repressive and conservative society. This is not only my view, there are hundreds of movies, books, etc built around these premises, so I fail to understand where the "misconception" is.

Regards,
F.

Hello Flavio,

if you consider that what you have said on both posts is the best for someone who is interested in knowing Madrid, Good for you! If the best advice you can give to someone who does not know anything about Spain is to start reading the civil war (under your point of view) and the bombastic "coming out of the closet", bravo for you! if you consider that the countercultural movement "la movida" is the most amazing art that you would recommend, wow for you!

Let me put it another way, if someone asked me for some advice to go to Lima and I told him only a brief story about the dictatorship from 1968, or the deep crisis of the 80's until today, that the "El Sendero luminoso" has kill near 40.000 people, that people is divided and they speak "Quechua", or that the art and culture of that country reborn in 1950 or with Fujimori's "freedom", would not be just the reality or the most interesting things to say about a country with many centuries of interesting History and Culture.

How about now, do you understand it, can't you see the "misconception"?

Let's be sensible
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Agreed LAG..
Im not from Madrid, but from the north, Asturias. Been out shooting a few times when visiting Madrid, never really with a purpose, just walking around, getting lost. Have always had a good time.
 

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Let me put it another way, if someone asked me for some advice to go to Lima and I told him only a brief story about the dictatorship from 1968, or the deep crisis of the 80's until today, that the "El Sendero luminoso" has kill near 40.000 people, that people is divided and they speak "Quechua"

Yes, actually knowing this is very important to understand the Lima of today. Seriously.
Anyways, you have a different view, i'll guess we will agree to disagree.
 

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The only time I've ever been in Madrid was in 1979. It was a fascinating place then, due to an amazing mix of people, history, politics and religion.
I have a few slides in storage which were taken during that trip. The ones of the Valle de los Caidos would not be easy to duplicate now, due to that site being closed to the public, no doubt due to those very same factors - issues of history, politics and religion.
I think I know where Flavio is coming from. The history of Spain in general, and Madrid in particular, is fascinating and complex, and it would make sense to me that you read up on it because, at least in 1979, knowledge of that history was critical in understanding and appreciating what I was experiencing.
 

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Im not from Madrid, but from the north, Asturias. Been out shooting a few times when visiting Madrid, never really with a purpose, just walking around, getting lost. Have always had a good time.

I am not from Madrid either, I am very close to you: Galicia (Coruna)! A couple of months ago I went in Castropol and last year I was in Arenas de Cabrales. I love Asturias!

Yes, actually knowing this is very important to understand the Lima of today. Seriously.
Anyways, you have a different view, i'll guess we will agree to disagree.

Well Flavio, everything is important! not only a couple of specific things you think they are to understand the "Whole" ... situation, by the way, which I certainly do not think that the OP is asking for, having the necessary time for a "couple of meetings" in the city, right?

(But you finally got my point "different view", exactly!)

Let's go back to the OP to see if someone else can help Polyglot "see".

Best

The only time I've ever been in Madrid was in 1979. It was a fascinating place then, due to an amazing mix of people, history, politics and religion.
I have a few slides in storage which were taken during that trip. The ones of the Valle de los Caidos would not be easy to duplicate now, due to that site being closed to the public, no doubt due to those very same factors - issues of history, politics and religion.
I think I know where Flavio is coming from. The history of Spain in general, and Madrid in particular, is fascinating and complex, and it would make sense to me that you read up on it because, at least in 1979, knowledge of that history was critical in understanding and appreciating what I was experiencing.

Hello Mattking,

But History is not a period of 100 years nor 42. Not for Spain in general, not for Madrid in particular. In any case, I think the OP is not looking to read a book (something I also recommend him of course!) nor is him interested in knowing a biased opinion of the city.

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The only time I've ever been in Madrid was in 1979. It was a fascinating place then, due to an amazing mix of people, history, politics and religion.
I have a few slides in storage which were taken during that trip. The ones of the Valle de los Caidos would not be easy to duplicate now, due to that site being closed to the public, no doubt due to those very same factors - issues of history, politics and religion.
I think I know where Flavio is coming from. The history of Spain in general, and Madrid in particular, is fascinating and complex, and it would make sense to me that you read up on it because, at least in 1979, knowledge of that history was critical in understanding and appreciating what I was experiencing.

Thanks Matt for the support. And you just put a perfect example of how having a knowledge of the country's history can enhance your trip.

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In any case, I think the OP is not looking to read a book (something I also recommend him of course!) nor is him interested in knowing a biased opinion of the city.

The OP wrote: "I know *nothing* about Spain", thus my suggestions for knowing something about Spain... This might include reading a book.

As for "knowing a biased opinion of the city", remember that all opinions are biased.
 

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Thanks Matt for the support. And you just put a perfect example of how having a knowledge of the country's history can enhance your trip.

The OP wrote: "I know *nothing* about Spain", thus my suggestions for knowing something about Spain... This might include reading a book.

No one questioned reading dear Flavio. What was in question is your version of the facts, not any kind of version from any book, that you have not mentioned at all If I remember correctly. You can argue this forever ...

As for "knowing a biased opinion of the city", remember that all opinions are biased.

Hence my logical interventions about your posts

Best
 
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I would suggest that among other things, find a smallish, maybe almost provincial food place and order a Tortilla Española, which is a staple Spanish dish made with potato and eggs, extremely delicious and nutritious.

Spain is a wonderful country.

Mick.
 

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I visited Madrid and Granada a couple of years ago. Had a lovely time and was impressed by how well you could do just walking around. Didn't have any particular places to go but every single thing we ate and every little coffee shop was great. The chains were probably what I would not seek out next time but they were just less interesting than the mom-n-pop style shops. One of the last days, I talked with a bouncer/restaurant employee who was A) impressed we were not going to see Barcelona and B) glad film cameras still had a market. He also took the time to explain how, in his experience, Spaniards were somewhat stubborn about allowing tourism

Food highlights: Jamon serrano on bread for breakfast, or the simple tomate y queso.
Cafe cortado for coffee, nice mix of espresso and milk. Fiance prefered the cafe crema. We were also impressed with the orange juice.
Sangria of course, or the tinto verano (wine & sparkling soda) is great if it is hot.

Puerte del Sol is the central square where political activities can start, it was quite busy every time we were there so lots of see but lots of people milling around. I guess we were able to blend in unlike some of the other Americans that were there with my fiance's group who were wary of the activity. I cannot give more detail as I was not there but they would be stereotypical Americans and I saw those kinds of people having more problems in Paris in 2013 as well.

I stayed at the Hotel Vincci Soho which was in a great neighborhood to walk around in or hop on the bus. Not too far from the Prado and the Park Buen Retiro which was beautiful.


All this to say, you can't go wrong.
 

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Food highlights: Jamon serrano on bread for breakfast

That stuff is properly addictive. Its very expensive here unfortunately but of course if one goes to Spain you have to try it really, tapas, paella and the really broad spectrum of wines, lovely.

We also plan on heading over there for a few days, our main mission will be to see Picasso’s Guernica.
 

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That stuff is properly addictive. Its very expensive here unfortunately but of course if one goes to Spain you have to try it really, tapas, paella and the really broad spectrum of wines, lovely.

I've not been able to find anything here that is even close to what was readily accessible and extremely inexpensive there. Mind-blowingly good!
 

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We also plan on heading over there for a few days, our main mission will be to see Picasso’s Guernica.
I have been trying to see that damn painting for upwards of 15 years. Every time I was in Madrid about 6 times, it was traveling. Its been there now for close to 10 years, havent been to Madrid........
Someday.
 

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For food, there are some good restaurants around Chueca - it's been a few years, but if it is still there and open, try Bazaar. Lots of interesting things to see and photograph between the Royal Palace, the Puerta Del Sol, and Retiro. Just keep an eye on your bags especially while transiting the Puerta Del Sol, as the area does have quite a few pickpockets. That said, so long as you exercise reasonable caution when walking around (like you would in any big city), you'll not feel unsafe in Madrid - I'm sure if you really wanted to, you could find dangerous neighborhoods, but there won't be anyplace you'll go in the short time you're there as a tourist that would be bad. There's also the park along the river where the Egyptian Temple of Debod is located - that's another interesting sight that's a bit out of place. On the side streets off the Opera (Calle de la Escalinata, Calle Independencia) there are some fascinating antiquarian bookstores if that tickles your fancy. The San Miguel market, just off the Plaza Mayor, is worth a peek photographically, and a good place to snag a delicious lunch.
 
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Thanks everyone. I've done a bit of reading in the last few days, and I now probably have a hotel booked behind Banco de Espana. I'll definitely be visiting Museo Nacional del Prado and walking from there through to Puerto del Sol and Mercado de San Miguel.

Can anyone recommend a store near Centro that will sell me some 120 on the off-chance that I run out?
 
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I've been a tourist in Spain on a one-way ticket for the last 30 odd years in Fiddle's neck of the woods. Anyway, if you want to see Madrid, pick up a brochure from the hotel desk and have a look. Eating in Madrid is an experience in itself with all tastes catered for and a broad selection of Spanish regional cuisine. Lag will probably murder me if I dont give cocina gallega a plug, especially if your into seafood. Bus and subway services are good. As for photo shops in Madrid: http://rgnn.org/2015/07/21/las-5-tiendas-mas-completas-de-fotografia-de-madrid/
Enjoy yourself
 

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Can anyone recommend a store near Centro that will sell me some 120 on the off-chance that I run out?

Casa Pibe (near Plaza Mayor) Calle de la Bolsa, 11, 28012 Madrid, España (www.casapibe.es)

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LAG's satellite view reminds me of another thing about Madrid. Don't expect anything like a "grid" pattern to the streets :smile:.
 
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