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Macbeth TD-102 servicing options?

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Hi all,

I was given this Macbeth TD-102 densitometer, condition unknown.
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Considering the age and disarray of the studio it came from, I'm assuming it'll need servicing. Is there anyone that works on these now, and is it even worth it?

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Have you, just for laughs, tried plugging it in and seeing if it works? It looks to be in good shape, for its age, of course.

If it doesn't work immediately then you have a problem. It uses vacuum tubes. There are nine internal calibration potentiometers - not something to encourage confidence for the service critter. The electrolytic capacitors may have to be replaced, but they may still be OK. It was the cheap Asian electrolytics of the 80's and 90's that gave the capacitors their horrid reputation.

Manual here: http://www.jollinger.com/photo/cam-...cbeth_Densitometers_TD-401_TD-104_manuals.pdf

If you have a friend who dabbles in old vacuum tube electronics he might be able to get it working - or at least doing something.

It looks like it comes with a calibrated step wedge. That, at least, is valuable.
 
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Sounds like Nicholas has been inside of those before. I don't know the electronics, but I've seen our in-house guys do repair work. As I recall the pots are along the back of the instrument when the case is off. So each pot adjusts a small part of the range, but they have overlapping effects; it's an iterative process with the calibrated wedge.

Personally I'd just turn it on and see if it works (the lamp should come on). Then when you depress the probe the needle should move. If the lamp comes on put a piece of thin paper (a Post It note works fine) over the aperture; you should see an image of the lamp filament there. If not, the bulb position needs to be adjusted. Originally, as I recall, they had a spare bulb inside somewhere. I'll have my fingers crossed for you.

If I had one that worked, but readings were off, I'd be inclined to just make a table of corrections based on your calibrated wedge. Then manually correct my readings. But an electronics guy might be more inclined to dig into the instrument. It just depends on where your interests lie, I guess.

Regarding calibration of the instrument, going from near-ancient memory, zero it with nothing under the probe, with the yellow knob down (this is the "visual" response). Set zero using the "zero" dial on the left. Then zero the individual colors by rotating the turret so the desired color us down, then rotate that color's knob. (Rotating the knob moves the filter deeper in and out of the light path.) The "calibration" was traditionally done with the yellow knob down, calibration patch in place, and rotate the "calibration" dial to get the required reading. For the other colors, well, whatever they read is what they read. It wasn't until later models, as I recall, that those became individually adjustable.

Fwiw the color filters are probably faded. If you wanted to look at them you should be able to pull the filter turret assembly out the front; be gentle so as not to scratch the outside of the PMT.

Hopefully it'll work.
 
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Thank you both!

@nicholas - the fuse was blown and I can't find one locally (1A), even at the auto store. I jumpered it with a paperclip and turned it on for about 2-3 seconds. The tubes began to light up, but no lights on the instrument. And yes, it does come with a step-wedge.

I'm familiar with tubes and caps from my work inside guitar amps, and familiar with the adjustment pots inside the TD-102. However, I am not skilled enough to overhaul this or adjust those pots without a detailed manual.

@Mr Bill Thanks for the help with the calibration! If I can get a fuse and some bulbs to get this to read correctly, that will be a huge help!
 

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I'm familiar with tubes and caps from my work inside guitar amps, and familiar with the adjustment pots inside the TD-102. However, I am not skilled enough to overhaul this or adjust those pots without a detailed manual.

The TD-104 manual referenced above includes the TD-102 manual. It includes the schematic and a basic theory of operation. It looks like all those pots only need to be twiddled if you are replacing the photomultiplier tube. The light bulb is still available though a bit pricey.
 
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Ah, thanks! I forgot to mention I have that manual. I'll look a bit closer. I bet the bulb is out which may be why they shelved it ages ago.
 
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I tried it for a few more seconds with a spare 5A fuse and the light came on, but no needle movement. I didn't want to run it too long with the improper fuse, but that's promising. I'll order a few 1A fuses and have a closer look at the manual.
 
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