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For Sale Lots of expired 35mm movie film (ECN-2) spooled down to about 100' for bulk loading

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I had this big project where I was buying up lots of leftover movie film, short ends, etc., spooling it down to bulk loader size, to use as still film, with the knowledge that this guy named Karl Borowski, who ran Double Exposure, Ltd. (17916 Treasure Isle Dr, Strongsville, OH 44136) could process it in still camera lengths, make slides by printing it onto ECP release film, etc. I shot dozens of test rolls, carefully noting conditions, exposure times, etc. and sent it all off to him with payment... never to be seen again. He's a moron con artist with delusional dreams, who lives in his mother's basement at that address. I even had my brother stop by to see him when he was in the area, to try to get him to just hand my film back, to no avail. He's a real world class jerk. SO, I still have plans for all that film once I get my ATL3 going but in the meantime I desperately need space in the film fridge for all the Cirkut film I've been picking up. So I've decided to sell off all the cans where I already spooled it down to 100', because I still have all the bulk loaders full of film, plus piles more original cans of much longer lengths to work from when I get back to that project.

Disclaimers on all of this:

-- For experimental purposes only - you can try cross-processing in C-41 by removing the RemJet fist (a la Cinestill), you can try mixing up your own ECN-2 chems, heck maybe you can find an ECN-2 lab willing to do 5' lengths at a time (if so, please let me know!!)

-- Condition is completely unknown, as I never got the results of my tests :-( It's been very well refrigerated while in my care, but who knows before that. Karl told me it all came out (i.e. nothing looked completely light-struck or whatever) but then again he was full of lies so who knows. Google these film numbers - some of it is VERY old. But if you're doing cross-processing, you'll already be dealing with screwy color shifts, so it might not be an issue.

-- Spooled down from much larger reels onto 2" cores, which means that you can't quite fit 100' on the core and still get it in most bulk loaders. I was doing all this in the dark by feel so these rolls will either be a few feet short of 100 if I did it right, and will fit in your bulk loader... or they'll be too big to fit (if I overshot) and you'll have to unreel a few feet to get it in there. I call these 100-ish feet! Packed in used bags and cans from bulk 35mm still film, so at least that part will be just like you're used to.

I'd like to get $25/roll, which includes shipping in the US. I'll gladly ship outside the US but we'll need to figure out what the postage is. Outside the US carries the risk of X-ray exposure, but I'll plaster the box with those Kodak warning labels. Here is what I have for sale:

Kodak 5293 EXR200T - 3 rolls
Kodak 5219Vision3 500T - 7 rolls
Fuji Eterna 250D - 4 rolls
Kodak 5277 Vision 320T - 10 rolls
Kodak 5217 Vision2 200T - 1 roll
Kodak 5289 Vision 800T - 3 rolls
Kodak 5229 EXP500T - 1 rolls
Kodak 5247 125T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5218 Vision2 500T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5279 Vision 500T - 5 rolls These are 100' loads from Kodak on metal camera spools in original packaging (outer box and plastic box)

Duncan
 
I have seen you post some of this before. Any testimonials from previous sales? Could be interested.
 
I've sold some Double-X (5222) before, and some various weird B&W lab films before, with no complaints. I don't think I've ever sold any of this stuff before. I was waiting until I got my negatives back and could speak more to the results...and that looks like it's happening no time soon, thanks to jerk-head Karl Borowski. There was another user here who actually got some film back from him after ridiculous delays, but I'm going on well over 2 years now, and he literally told my brother to his face "I have your brother's negatives in here but I am not going to give them to you." (I believe that had something to do with Karl telling my brother to go away, and my brother coming back with a Strongsville policeman to help convince him ;-) Didn't work :-( )

Duncan
 
PM me for all of his contact info. You're welcome to see if you can get anything out of him, or at least make him lay awake at night thinking about what an awful person he is. I didn't travel a far to do all my test shots, but it was a lot of work - 19 rolls of 36 exposures, all with careful bracketing and shooting color test cards and taking notes, etc. Sigh.

Duncan
 
Oh and just in case Karl Borowski ever shows his face around here again (he hasn't in years), here is his APUG username:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Duncan
 
All of the 5219 is SOLD, so that leaves

Kodak 5293 EXR200T - 3 rolls
Fuji Eterna 250D - 4 rolls
Kodak 5277 Vision 320T - 10 rolls
Kodak 5217 Vision2 200T - 1 roll
Kodak 5289 Vision 800T - 3 rolls
Kodak 5229 EXP500T - 1 rolls
Kodak 5247 125T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5218 Vision2 500T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5279 Vision 500T - 5 rolls These are 100' loads from Kodak on metal camera spools in original packaging (outer box and plastic box)

If for some reason anyone is interested in longer cans of any of this (some in original 400' or 1000' sealed cans, some short ends in the 200-300' range) let's talk. I don't want to get rid of all of it, but I have a LOT, and I do need to make room in the fridge for the Cirkut film.

Duncan
 
Duncan, do you have any daylight film besides the Fuji Eterna? I'd even be willing to consider the 400' rolls.
 
Duncan, do you have any daylight film besides the Fuji Eterna? I'd even be willing to consider the 400' rolls.

I have some 5207 Vision3 250D, but less than 100' and it's in a bulk loader. I have 5205 Vision2 250D, approx 60' (I guess I bought a 160' short end, because I've also got some in a loader.) And I have 5201 Vision2 50D short ends of 230', 260', 280', and 300' (supposedly - those are still in resealed 400' cans as I received them).

I also have some 5285 Ektachrome 100D which I plan to keep, because that's just E6 process.

Duncan
 
There was so much interest in this stuff a few years ago - no daring adventurers any more?

Duncan
 
Received my package from Duncan! Well packaged and arrived quickly! Hope to shoot some soon.
 
I do not mind home processing however I am puzzled how to process it and what to do with non perforated film ...
 
There are some threads here in the forums that talk about various strategies for processing it. Brewing up the chemicals to do the real ECN-2 process is the obvious way, but a lot of people process it in C-41 because those chemicals are easy to come by. In either case, the tricky part is removing the Remjet backing first, with a pre-bath and rinse, and possibly some gentle sponge-scrubbing afterwards.

The film is perforated! Movie cameras need to pull film through just like still cameras do. The edges of the perforations are rounded instead of straight, but that doesn't seem to bother any still cameras I've ever run across. I think that's just to make them stronger under the rigors of being transported at the much higher speeds of a movie camera.

Duncan
 

Actually, it is the exact opposite!

Edison had totaly round perforations, but they caused problems as the original old Nitrate film shrunk. so the Bell and Howell Perforation was developed which was wider to allow for dimensional changes. It became rather standardized in the industry and the sprockets in Movie cameras were made to fit it. It is know Known as BH or Negative perforation.

There are sharp corners where the rounded part meets the straight part however, and these are prone to develop cracks over time. The solution was to make the square sided perforations with gradual radius turns in the corners. These are the ones that still photographers are used to and are Known s "positive", "Kodak standard" or KS perforations.

The KS perfs are used on print film to make the prints that (used to be) shown in theatres. The Negative perfs are a bit narrower that the positive perfs which allows better registration frame to frame in the Movie camera, so the image is more steady on the screen.

Finally as printing is or was done with the film travelling around a curve to hold the negative and positive in close contact there is 4 ten-thousands of an inch wider spacing on the KS perfs. which I also have never noticed affecting any still camera. (I just did some bulk loading this week of some ORWO N74)

This diagram shows the different shapes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_perforations#/media/File:35mm_sprockets.png

The entire wikipedia article goes into more detail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_perforations
 
Here's what is remaining:

Kodak 5293 EXR200T - 3 rolls
Fuji Eterna 250D - 2 rolls
Kodak 5277 Vision 320T - 10 rolls
Kodak 5217 Vision2 200T - 1 roll
Kodak 5289 Vision 800T - 3 rolls
Kodak 5229 EXP500T - 1 rolls
Kodak 5247 125T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5218 Vision2 500T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5279 Vision 500T - 5 rolls These are 100' loads from Kodak on metal camera spools in original packaging (outer box and plastic box)

Duncan
 
I believe all of these films can be shot with a 85A wratten filter according to their technical sheets.

in order to shoot in daylight.
 
I believe all of these films can be shot with a 85A wratten filter according to their technical sheets.

in order to shoot in daylight.

Yep - the can labels and tech sheets give a different EI for the film when using an 85 filter, though of course that's just the same thing as figuring in the filter factor to the original film speed.

Duncan
 
Here's what is remaining:

Kodak 5293 EXR200T - 3 rolls
Fuji Eterna 250D - 1 roll
Kodak 5277 Vision 320T - 10 rolls
Kodak 5217 Vision2 200T - 1 roll
Kodak 5289 Vision 800T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5229 EXP500T - 1 rolls
Kodak 5247 125T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5218 Vision2 500T - 2 rolls
Kodak 5279 Vision 500T - 5 rolls These are 100' loads from Kodak on metal camera spools in original packaging (outer box and plastic box)

Duncan
 
forgive me for not reading the entire thread but do any of these not have ramjet layer?
 
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