Lost in Translation? The Leica M5

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Anyone aware of the history of the M5 will have their own opinions on its merits or otherwise, but for those unfamiliar with Leica-lore and arcana, the M5 emerged in the early 1970s as the "next generation" Leica M. It finally introduced innovations like through the lens metering, which had been knocking around SLRs for a decade, and juggled the traditional placement of Leica controls, neither of which leant themselves to the cognoscenti. The thing that did most to despoil the M5's reputation however, was it's size, and the hefty price tag that accompanied it. The M5 was big in every way. Four and a half decades on in a largely post-film photographic world, how does the M5 stack up as an everyday camera? Having used one in that role for a while, here are a few opinions...

The first thing to say is the M5 is big. Not DSLR big, but big in the way a Nikon F2 is big, in fact the F2 is the camera the M5 most resembles, if you subtract a prism and a mirror from the equation. If the word Leica summons images of rounded corners and discreet dials and palm sized cameras, the M5 will disappoint. It's a square-edged, tall-seated vision of 1970 in camera form, which is different from previous and subsequent ideas of stylish modernity. Uncompromising is the best term. A lump is the one my wife used. I like the looks a lot, partly because of its particular vintage, but also because it separates the M5 from the herd. Belonging was always the thing that put me off Leicas in the past, though plenty of people get off on that aspect alone. Cool, hot or lukewarm, how does the Leica M5 perform?

First thing to say is it's very well built. Leicaphiles differentiate models and project subjective notions of quality depending on the type and where it was manufactured. This seems a pointless pursuit so long after their manufacture, and the care with which a camera was used is more important than any notional differences between materials. That said, you'd be hard pressed to find the most uncompromising Wetzlar addict discredit an M5 on quality of manufacture. They'll slag off its appearance and that fancy light meter, but on build alone it harks back to men in white overalls and thick spectacles. Men with micrometers and anglepoise lamps set in gestures of permanent reverence for the objects they illuminate. Men with attitude and ne'er a nod to the time and motion chap with his clipboard. The M5 was expensive, and set against the more compact, more financially aware CL with the same branding and technology at a fifth of the price, the M5 looked anachronistic and over-priced as soon as it entered the shop windows. Consequently the M5 was one of the more affordable Leica rangefinders secondhand, although this is changing as a new generation of photographers discover its virtues.

One of my favourite features is the huge shutter speed dial, which slightly overlaps the front of the camera. Accessing it with a finger while looking through the viewfinder at the match needle meter, is a doddle. It resembles a shutter dial at the other end of the 35mm social spectrum, the Canon AT-1 and is no less excellent in use. No need for fingers like needle point pliers to operate, just click the dial round with a forefinger and the shutter button is bang in the middle. It's hard to get lost on the M5's ample real estate while looking through the finder. The viewing frames are the same as the M4, 35-135, 50 and 90mm. If you use a 28, it'll have to be an M6 or a shoe mounted viewfinder. The ASA dial is set via a thumb wheel on top of the camera, and the light meter runs horizontally below the bottom of the image. Some people complain that the M5 finder is cluttered. Compared to a Barnack it may well be, but for anyone weaned on the LEDs and LCDs of a 1970s, 80s or 90s SLR, the M5's viewfinder is a lesson in understatement. In most other ways M5 operation is standard bottom loading, rear window, fixed spool, Leica M business.

The meter has given rise to much fulmination, some of it on the money, some mythical. Basically it's a spot meter on a stalk that rises when the film is wound on and falls when the shutter is pressed. A small number of lenses come into contact with it and can damage the meter arm. These are the 21mm un-modified Super Angulons, early 28mm Elmarits, and any collapsible lenses. FSU wide angle lenses with a deep back element will also foul the arm. For most people it won't be an issue, but for well-heeled Leica collectors with a penchant for unusual wide angle lenses, the meter conflict caused an stink in the early 70s that never quite went away. Some claim the meter isn't especially accurate, or that it may be visible within the shot. I've tested for both extensively and can only conclude their cameras must be malfunctioning. My M5 produces unusually consistent negatives, so it may be their lack of knowledge on how a spot meter works. You can only see the meter arm in action if you fit an adapter and remove the lens, but the lollipop retracts long before the shutter begins to open at any speed, and you can feel it doing so through the shutter button, another factor some people complain about.

In the end camera function is both an objective and subjective experience. If something rubs you up the wrong way on either, you'll never enjoy using the camera. I can only say none of the M5's operational protocols annoy me and many of them are a delight. Price wise beater M5s are available from around £295 (buyer discretion needed) and can top out over a grand for unusual or collectable examples, as with all Leicas. Five hundred pounds sterling will net you a very nice example and 400-600 is where the serious horse trading takes place. This has been a long and possibly long-winded take on the Leica M5, which may go some small way to informing potential buyers about a generally overlooked rangefinder camera.
 
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The M5, when I get it, will be my first Leica M. I could afford a body now, but not a lens worthy of it. Prices right now, from an established Leica dealer run $800-$900.
 
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The M5, when I get it, will be my first Leica M. I could afford a body now, but not a lens worthy of it. Prices right now, from an established Leica dealer run $800-$900.

$800 is about £550, which is consistent with the starting price of a good M5 with warranty via a UK dealer also. There's no shortage of 50mm lenses to suit various budgets, 35mm is a more difficult focal length to find bargains. The FSU Jupiter 12 is one of the few lenses that will foul the M5 meter arm, as well as most digital sensors, narrowing its appeal. If you can't run to Leica lenses, the obvious choice is the Voigtlander Color Skopar 2.5 35mm, which has a good reputation and can be had new for £300 + postage from Far Eastern dealers, a little more domestically. Longer Leica M lenses are typically cheaper, as their virtues translate better to SLR cameras than rangefinders, creating a niche.
 
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A J12 with a filed LTM to M adapter is perfectly usable on a M5, you need to file the adapter, similarly for 21 mm LTM SA, and file the bayonet mount for 21mm SA and type I Elmarit 28mm and 'tape' collapsibles.

CLs are more restrictive...

No IXMOO on either camera..,
 

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I had the opportunity to buy one recently at an estate sale with a few nice lenses but ended up passing...the primary reason being the over-pricing of the body. I always thought they lacked the wonderful aesthetics of the M's and to me...but there is something about them!!...Funny thing
is... I now wish I'd picked it up...you don't see them very often.
 
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The M5, when I get it, will be my first Leica M. I could afford a body now, but not a lens worthy of it. Prices right now, from an established Leica dealer run $800-$900.

The cosina LTM lenses are superb performers and still 'cheap' - note quotes.
 
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Aesthetics are a personal thing, and rarely translate universally. For my two penny's worth the LTM Barnacks are the most attractive Leica rangefinders by some distance. Oddly, I like both the M4 with its angled rewind lever and the M5 with its retracted base mount rewind. Of the Wetzlar M's, the M2 is prettiest, though no Leica rangefinder can be described as ugly.

If the M5 has a visual flaw it's the black chrome innovation, which polishes to a mirror like sheen instead of wearing like black paint Leicas. The silver version is much the prettier of the two, but constituted less than a third of M5 production. I agree some M5s are priced disproportionately high, OTOH other M5s slip under the radar. The value of weird numbering, collector editions and similar exotica is lost on me so I couldn't comment on them except as market distortions. There does appear to be a recent reappraisal of the M5, and I've noticed a few high profile street photographers toting them, which may be contributing to their re-evaluation.
 

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Lost in Translation (the movie), is an excellent/clever description of the M5!
 

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OP repeats Gandy's take on M5, IMO.

I'll repeat my take on TTL metering in film cameras. It works, but it is not as necessary as on digital cameras if you are using RF camera for RF style of photography.
The ergonomics of M5 are also overhyped. Regular M with Leica lens (doesn't have to be very expensive) is great to fiddle with as well.

If you want M Leica cheap and as first one, buy any you could find cheap and working one.
 

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M5 would be my first choice in the M system. Sherry Krauter says it is the best M. But the thing is I m so happy with my Leicalfex SL that I m about to get another one soon.
 

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I bought my first Leica M around 1979. The store had a number to choose from including a Leica M5 and a Leica M3. I played with them both in the store and immediately loved the M3 but was so so on the M5. I wanted the M5 as it had a light meter and wasn't that much more than the M3 (1,000,xxx SS). I just didn't like the M5 when compared to the M3. Logic told me that the M5 was a better camera. But I liked the M3 better. I bought the M3. Some folks just love the M5. They are fine cameras. Use what you like!
 

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And a full M5 system brochure, 1973: http://leicaphilia.com/?p=1238

I took a look at the brochure, in part because I own a black three-lug M5 and very much enjoy using it -- and I was surprised to see Leica suggesting use of the 21mm Super Angulon f/3.4, but noting "With this lens the M5 exposure meter is out of action." I wonder how to understand that statement -- does Leica mean the swing arm will hit the lens, or that the meter will operate properly with the lens but the reading is inaccurate? If the former, what in the world are they doing even proposing it be used with the M5? If the latter, why would the reading be unusable? Maybe this brochure is a bit lost in translation, too.
 
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My take on the M5 is based on using it, the only part I referred to in Stephen Gandy's excellent review was to confirm which lenses wouldn't work on the M5. As for the M5 being overhyped, in my experience the M5 is very much under-hyped, and largely ignored. The last thing I'd like to see is a run on M5s, and them all disappearing into glass cabinets.
 

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Lovely camera, I'm glad to have one along with a pair of M6's and a DS M3.
 

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That's a nice assessment of the M5. They fit my hands better than any of the other Leica rangefinders and I like the meter and its display.

A well-used black M5 with a slight bit of brassing looks simply perfect.

Don't have one yet...
 

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Almost all SA and type 1 elmarit 28mm came from factory with milled mounts that inhibit the meter swing.
The meter is tucked away without a lens mounting a lens or a LTM adapter swings the meter cell into metering position cept if they have been milled to disable metering.

If you make a mistake you will be sorry! You need the instruction manual...

The M5 handle nice but the IXMOO are an essential for me.
 

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Ah, I see. I knew that the only way to see the meter in action was to mount an LTM adapter without lens, which would "unlock" the meter to move upward. But I didn't realize that a lens mount could be milled to have the same effect. Once again, I learn something...
 

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You could use a file but a lot of material needs to be removed.
You need a pattern you might need to write to Leica or a repair man for a description.
You need to be careful with every lens the first time.
The collapsibles may need a plastic tape ring on the barrel to limit movement.
Try downloading a user manual.
I think all the Cosina LTM are ok...

The metering is semi spot and you need the manual for proper usage.
 

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For me, the M2 has all the features I need and love just having the 35, 50 and 90 frames only. If you want a meter you can attach the MR4 as I did on mine.
 

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For me, the M2 has all the features I need and love just having the 35, 50 and 90 frames only. If you want a meter you can attach the MR4 as I did on mine.
Hi David

The semi spot needs more commitment than the MR4 it is more accurate though...
Lots of people don't like the semi spot...

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The MR4 reads exposure as though looking through a 90mm lens. It's proven to be accurate-especially since it got some CLA from George out in CA not long ago.
 

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**The early 21 & 28's are not milled to prevent the arm to rise. Only the later lenses.
"If you make a mistake you will be sorry! You need the instruction manual

Because you're in Chicago You might want to check with Stan Tamarkin in the loop. He's got an excellent reputation for both price and customer service.
 
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