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I came across a place called Japan Vintage Camera. I noticed there are Yashica and Ricohflex TLRs on their site. I am looking into a secondary TLR for using outside during winter. The Ricohflex looks interesting. I have never ordered anything internationally. Has anyone here ever dealt with Japan Vintage Camera? I have watched a handful of their Youtube videos and they are informative. Some are repair videos.

I can't remember the site that I was on but it had a very lengthy listing of items and their custom/duty charges. It was way too finely detailed and it made my head spin. I had to leave the site because I was feeling dizzy but from what I am understanding that if an item is below $800 then there will not be an extra charge for custom/duty fees? Would this be correct? Would shipping be incredibly expensive when making an order from Japan?

Thanks for any input that anyone may have.
 

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Japan Post Economy shipping is usually the most affordable route.

Customs usually ignores items of a declared value of under $600 US, but the coming increase in tariffs may change this.

There is a lot of moldy junk being resold there, so you have to be especially discriminating.
 

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You should post a "want to buy" classified ad here, on Photrio. I'm sure there are a million good but unused Yashica or Ricoh tlrs owned by people on here. Then you won't need to worry about duty or expensive international shipping.
 

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I've bought camera equipment from Japan a few times and it ranged from unusable junk to items that were much better than described and a great bargain.

However, my preference is to buy more locally, from other photographers, as there is less risk.

The most expensive item I bought from Japan was $350 and there was no problem in customs, shipping was faster than anticipated.

Make sure there is lots of real positive feedback, and a return policy that you can afford to use.

Also, it's safer to make international transactions through an intermediary (like eBay) rather than through a seller's website, where if you're not satisfied you won't really have much recourse.
 
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My experience has sown that the majority of cameras listed by Japanese sellers are 1) overpriced for what they are and 2) often in much poorer condition than the description suggests. I would find a US source for what you want.
I would also do as George suggested: be extremely discriminating. Look for any hints of damage or abuse in the photos (learn to identify the specific model and its parts, so you can know if anything is obvious bent/damaged), pay close attention to the description for anything that suggests the camera is in any way compromised, and do NOT buy from anyone who does not accept returns.
Duty/customs fees should not kick in until you reach the $800 USD value mark, but that may change in 2025.
 

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If buying off evilbay, only deal with sellers having a high number of feedback ratings and a rating of 100% or darn close to that. Read the description carefully and reviews all the photos of the item zoomed in. Pan around so you can see every part of the camera. Make sure they have a good return policy; free returns is best because it won't be cheap to ship a camera back to Japan. Pay in a way that you're totally protected, even beyond evilbay's policys.

Same tips would apply to buying direct from a dealer.

Good luck!
 

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I have been watching Japan Vintage Camera through his Etsy shop a lot, particularly when I was thinking about a Konica IIIa. Generally, the guy sells stuff for cheaper than I have seen elsewhere, but some of the reviews have me concerned about how respresents what he's selling and how he packs/ships. There have been a few reviews where the received items were not the same as the photo or were damaged in transit. I have bought many things from Japan on eBay and haven't had any issues with damage. If you study the photos closely and read extremely carefully you will usually do fine not getting junk. Although I tend to only buy things marked "Mint" or better.

As an aside from this, I really love the Minolta Autocord I bought from campy51. I got it CLA'd by Karl Bryan (in record time) and it's fantastic.
 

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I'd recommend checking with B.S. Kumar, a member and seller here. He is in Japan, and is a consummate professional.
 
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I've bought a lot of cameras and lenses from sellers in Japan on Ebay over the years.

There are a lot of really pristine, barely used cameras, many of them fairly uncommon/rare, that come out of Japan. There are also a lot of badly fungus infested and other items that present well on the outside but the optics are trash.

Many sellers describe in exhaustive detail and go to great lengths to point out even minor flaws. I've seen more than one that gives a hand-drawn sketch of areas of even minor issue within a lens(diagrams not unlike diamond appraisers will use to mark flaws in diamonds.

As said too though, there's some real junk coming out of there, some of it over-described and/or overpriced.

My experience has been good, and shipping is often as fast as from domestic sellers. I'm really picky about what I buy, though, and pretty much will only buy that route unless I can't find something comparable from a domestic seller. If the item does have issues, returns are a whole lot easier with US based sellers. My last purchase was a Nikon 200mm f/5.6 Medical-Nikkor, a lens that had defied my attempts to find a nice clean example of that specific version domestically.

For common Yashica-MAT TLRs and things like that, though, they often are plentiful from US sellers...
 
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As an aside from this, I really love the Minolta Autocord I bought from campy51. I got it CLA'd by Karl Bryan (in record time) and it's fantastic.

I agree - the Autocord is one of the very best of the 6x6 TLRs, and the Rocker lens is superb. Results from my Autocord compare favorably with results I get from my Hasselblad w/80mm Planar.
 

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I came across a place called Japan Vintage Camera. I noticed there are Yashica and Ricohflex TLRs on their site. I am looking into a secondary TLR for using outside during winter. The Ricohflex looks interesting. I have never ordered anything internationally. Has anyone here ever dealt with Japan Vintage Camera? I have watched a handful of their Youtube videos and they are informative. Some are repair videos.

I can't remember the site that I was on but it had a very lengthy listing of items and their custom/duty charges. It was way too finely detailed and it made my head spin. I had to leave the site because I was feeling dizzy but from what I am understanding that if an item is below $800 then there will not be an extra charge for custom/duty fees? Would this be correct? Would shipping be incredibly expensive when making an order from Japan?

Thanks for any input that anyone may have.

I bought a Ricohflex Diachord from that seller, in part because it was lower cost, especially with shipping included and no sales tax. The camera was a gift for my significant other. Shipping was slow, and communication was a bit lacking -- the seller did not provide me with the correct tracking number, and even after he corrected it, it still didn't work until I tried moving some digits around. 😝

The camera itself was in good enough shape, but after not very long (but outside of the return period) the shutter started sticking. My impression is that he does some very basic clean up, puts some lighter fluid in, and sells cameras as repaired, while re-using the same small-ish pics on his website. I haven't tried contacting him about this particular unit, so I can't say whether I would get better customer service at this point, but I would not buy from him again or recommend him as a seller.
 

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EBay prices are much to high plus the chance of buying a lemon.
Here in BC Canada Yashica Mat sellers were asking around $800 ; that has now greatly lowered to the 2-300 $ Canadian range.
As with other posters dont forget the Minolta Autocord; it's a wonderful camera with the best lens in its range.
 
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Thanks, everyone, for sharing experiences.

@loccdor, @Alan9940: eBay is where I got the Rolleicord, five years ago. The seller of the Rolleicord was Gary's Camera. eBay was where I bought the light seal material for the A12 film back, from Dick Werner. I also read over the negative comments to see if they are justified enough to steer me in another direction. I didn't notice Japan Vintage Camera being a seller on eBay unless it is under different name? Loads of Japanese and Ukrainian sellers on eBay. Many with free returns. My town used to have a few camera shops. The nearest one is about a 20 minutes drive away and they deal very little in traditional photography, mostly digital.

@ic-racer: Good to know. The rating system always gets me: You have Exc+ and Mint +; with the pluses being anywhere from one to four pluses, lol. So finely graded.

@Don_ih: I forgot about the classifieds on this site. Definitely will look into this. Thanks

@AnselMortensen: I will look him up. Thanks

@skylight1b, @George Mann, @Ben Hutcherson: I will check out more of those reviews. I was just reading about the humidity and mold issues. Sounds like a gamble. When buying I look for as good as possible condition and CLA/serviced.

@WhereSs: Thanks for sharing this. Recycling pictures isn't fair to the customer. Lends to distrust when posting a different picture of an item. I noticed his use of lighter fluid and cleaning lenses. With the few videos I have seen he was doing the same tasks, didn't notice any replacing of parts and performing other tasks like calibration and such.

@skylight1b, @retina_restoration, @Melvin J Bramley: Results close to a Hasselblad? This I need to check out.
 

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@What About Bob - Just for fun, because I'm sure you know where this is, here is a photo I took on the Autocord on the Norwottuck Rail Trail. It's tack sharp at full size but maybe doesn't translate to the internet.

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Bellamy Hunt aka Japan Camera Hunter. I used him for a purchase a few years back, and it was simple and reasonable. He lives there and has regular contact with many of the stores. Knows the market too.
 
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@What About Bob - Just for fun, because I'm sure you know where this is, here is a photo I took on the Autocord on the Norwottuck Rail Trail. It's tack sharp at full size but maybe doesn't translate to the internet.

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HA! YES!

Looking good. Great place to watch the boaters go by.


#1 - Old image: 08/28/2020
"Norwottuck Rail Trail" - Next to Elwell Park

Hasselblad 501c with 80mm lens
Ilford Pan F+ 120 at box speed
Exposure: 1/60 at f/22
Developed in Rodinal 1:50 for 11 minutes at 68F/20C
Adorama variable grade RC pearl paper.
Print exposure more than likely 12 seconds at f/16 and developed in Liquidol


#2 - Old image: 08/28/2020
"Floating my way" - Elwell Park

Rolleicord with 75mm lens
Ultrafine 120, 100 at EI 50
Exposure: 1/60 at f/22
Developed in Pyrocat-HD for 15 minutes at 70F/21C
Adorama variable grade RC pearl paper.
Print exposure more than likely 15 seconds at f/16 and developed in Liquidol
 

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Boy, it's strange and nice to see that bridge. The other day it was in a youtube video I watched. I lived downstream from there along the river over 40 years ago. The train bridge was not used and you could sneak across to the island, but no official status as I remember. My favorite thing was to watch the pigeons living under the Rte 9 bridge land on ice floes in the winter. They would float downstream and about where my house was, they'd decide that they were too far from home and take off en masse to go back upstream. To land on another ice floe... wash, rinse repeat, for hours :smile:

OP, there is also a 'Want To Buy' category in the classifieds here. Worth a shot.
 

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And again, just for fun, this was taken with a Toyocaflex 1b,, one of a plethora of rather unrefined Rolleicord copies that originated in Japan around 1955, which were most likely all made by Tougodo. It uses a relatively simple three element, (unfortunately named) Tri-Lauser lens, that nevertheless is capable of very nice results.
The point of this being that the potential to obtain very satisfactory results from any of these cameras is very high.
The challenges you might encounter relate to things like how ergonomic and easy to use a camera is - the Toyocaflex isn't particularly strong there - how durable the camera is, and what the condition is of the specimen you consider. With these sorts of purchases, condition is probably most important.
 

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Personally I don't see the benefit of buying something ordinary from Japan, especially a Yashica Mat. For a starter you want to be able to send it back easily when it doesn't work. I'd go with some suggestions above and say the biggest bang for buck in 'cheap' cameras is a Minolta Autocord, even above Rolleicord or older Rolleiflex.
 

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There seem to be lots of Ricohflexes, Rolleicords or Yashicas from North America on eBay.

This Diacord here listed as functional for a really good price, so you'll get a refund if it turns out not to be: https://www.ebay.com/itm/156543059714

Tbh it's probably worth buying even if you pay for a CLA after.
 

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Personally I don't see the benefit of buying something ordinary from Japan, especially a Yashica Mat. For a starter you want to be able to send it back easily when it doesn't work. I'd go with some suggestions above and say the biggest bang for buck in 'cheap' cameras is a Minolta Autocord, even above Rolleicord or older Rolleiflex.

Here in Western Canada, buying cameras from Japan, even ordinary ones, is better and faster than buying from the USA. The selection is wide, generally there are more and better photos, and shipping is cheaper. As an example I perused Nikkor lenses and bought one from Japan last friday, shipping was $25 and i got a delivery notice that i'll receive it today. The same day i bought a lens shade for it....with Ebay's "international shipping" ...I'm told it will be delivered sometime between Dec 15 and 29th....
I have both lived in and travelled to Japan and the number of brick and mortar camera stores is astonishing. You can find anything and I mean anything you want no matter how obscure.
Especially when buying Rolleiflex, Leica, Nikon....the production numbers are high, and the ability to select either in person or buying in person, allows a greater chance of finding what you want in the condition/price range you're looking for. In N America, at least, there might be one or two stores in a big city with a modest used selection.
As far as risks...online, i'd rather take a chance buying from a store in Japan than an individual from N America.....
 
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There seem to be lots of Ricohflexes, Rolleicords or Yashicas from North America on eBay.

This Diacord here listed as functional for a really good price, so you'll get a refund if it turns out not to be: https://www.ebay.com/itm/156543059714

Tbh it's probably worth buying even if you pay for a CLA after.
Don't you love (hate) the way so many eBay sellers show one photo of the camera (with the lens caps on), and two photos of the ratty old leather case? ;-)

That Diacord may very well be a good camera at a good price, and the shipping cost is very reasonable, too (unlike buying from Japan). However, I notice that seller has no feedback. Personally, when buying on eBay, I would prefer to see a seller with at least 20 feedback ratings with an approval rating of at least 99.0%. Especially when the seller says nothing about whether the camera works, and they do not accept returns. I do sometimes gamble, and buy from a seller with few ratings, but only if it is a hard-to-find item and the price is very atractive.

eBay can be a good place to buy, but there are a few "gotchas" to watch out for.

Unless I mised it, I don't see where the seller says the Diacord is is functional. I believe the seller described the item as "used" -- and for items described as used, eBay automatically adds that description which says, "Used: An item that has been used previously. The item may have some signs of cosmetic wear, but is fully operational and functions as intended..." A lot of non-functional items on eBay are described as such. If the item is non-functional, eBay says it should be listed as "For parts or not working" but many sellers describe non-working items as "used" anyway. Oftentimes with cameras, the seller doesn't really know if the camera works. Unless the seller specifically says the camera works, I would buy it at a price that assumes it needs to be repaired.

If it turns out the Diacord is not functional, then it was "not as described" -- which gives the buyer the right to return it for a refund, even if the seller says they don't take returns.

I can't tell if this particular seller knows if this particular camera works or not, but I would ask before buying, because returning items can be a hassle.

Sometimes, if you look at the "Seller's other items" you can get a better idea about how much faith you want to put in the seller's description. Sellers who sell mostly cameras, are more likely to be able to tell if a camera is functional or not, compared to sellers who are selling all kinds of random items. Now whether the camera sellers are any more honest in communicating what they know about the camera, that is for another conversation.

One final tip for buying on eBay. If you are interested in buying something, add it to your Watchlist, and wait a few days. Sometimes the seller will send you an offer at a lower price (although the Japanese sellers seem to do this much less often than US sellers). On the other hand, someone else might buy it. But for common items, be patient and you can always find another one.
 
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Here in Western Canada, buying cameras from Japan, even ordinary ones, is better and faster than buying from the USA. The selection is wide, generally there are more and better photos, and shipping is cheaper. As an example I perused Nikkor lenses and bought one from Japan last friday, shipping was $25 and i got a delivery notice that i'll receive it today. The same day i bought a lens shade for it....with Ebay's "international shipping" ...I'm told it will be delivered sometime between Dec 15 and 29th....
I have both lived in and travelled to Japan and the number of brick and mortar camera stores is astonishing. You can find anything and I mean anything you want no matter how obscure.
Especially when buying Rolleiflex, Leica, Nikon....the production numbers are high, and the ability to select either in person or buying in person, allows a greater chance of finding what you want in the condition/price range you're looking for. In N America, at least, there might be one or two stores in a big city with a modest used selection.
As far as risks...online, i'd rather take a chance buying from a store in Japan than an individual from N America.....

Yeah I know, I didn't say I don't buy from Japan, I often do especially as the prices can be great, but second hand Yashica Mats don't always travel well, great lenses but very flimsy insides. Given they are abundant in the USA and Canada I don't think it's worth the risk given the cost of return postage, which is what I said.
 

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A common thing on Japan sites is to find the same camera listed under multiple sellers. Do a search for a specific model and scan through the listings looking for photos that look alike, and then check serial numbers, etc. I do not know if this is a scam or what.
 
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